In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I took a train to Hungary from Budapest and the police just glanced at my passport on the train.
The main question i guess is about driving and whether someone would let me drive a car registered in their name? Or would a second hand car dealer go along with that?
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Bring over an English car and say you're just driving thro. Not so easy to buy a second hand car here without being a resident, although not impossible.
Better still get a camper van so you'll not have to rent or buy somewhere to live.
Get an English mobile phone with an Italian Simm card bought from e-bay. (You need to show identification and a codice fiscale to buy a phone here)
You could use an internet cafe to send any work back to the UK.
You could tour all over Italy and have a great time.
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In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
You will find that driving a car makes you very visible to the Carabinieri. However it is quite possible to be invisible to Italia Telecom, ENEL, and the postal services with no effort at all.:laughs:
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=noelle;104801]Passports are scanned going in and out of the country ............[/quote]
not, I believe, if you drive in.
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In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
This is a great forum.
I'm planning on living in one area for some years to come but simply can't be hassled with paperwork. I'm happy to draw out money via cash machines from my account in the uk, i guess it's just the vehicle bit that's tricky.
If i bring over an english car it eventually have to be made italian and that's probably more hassle than it's worth.
But as i understand it when an italian insures a car it's insured for everyone to drive it. Would they be risking anything to do me the favour of letting me drive a car that officially belongs to them?
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote]Not so easy to buy a second hand car here without being a resident, although not impossible.[/quote]
Details, please. How do you get the carta di circolazione in your name without residenza? Not to mention PRA.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Hey Tom if we had to all go through the hoops to live here legally and pay our taxes, cannot see why you shouldnt too! not sure if the forum should be supporting your question or advising on how it might be done....call me a kill joy if you like, or when you do get stopped by the police and they want to see your papers explain it to them.
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In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=Angie and Robert;104817]Hey Tom if we had to all go through the hoops to live here legally and pay our taxes, cannot see why you shouldnt too! not sure if the forum should be supporting your question or advising on how it might be done....call me a kill joy if you like, or when you do get stopped by the police and they want to see your papers explain it to them.
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Absolutely agree with A&R - also I'm not sure the forum should be seen to be supporting someone who if they were to be in Italy for more than 3 months would in effect be here illegally and so be breaking the law!
According to the British Embassy in Rome the requirements are as follows:
[url=http://ukinitaly.fco.gov.uk/en/help-for-british-nationals/living-in-italy/res-entry-reqs-for-italy]Residency and entry requirements for Italy[/url]
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Actually, the first official paper you need in Italy is a Codice Fiscale. It is like some initial ID that allows you to open a bank account, purchase certain items, etc.... It is very easy to obtain. Just contact your nearest Italian Consulate and they will send you one. It is painless....
Also, keep in mind that if you do not have residency in Italy, do not own a home and need to rent one, unless it is a short holiday letting you are in trouble as now, landlords cannot sign rental contracts which are not for holidays unless the other person has all of his/her residency papers in order. They risk hefty fines and the confiscation of their property.
To get residency is not as complicated as it looks....
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Hi
You can apply for you codice online
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
It's a nice notion - living entirely under the radar. I've done it for a lot of my life, all over the world! It's an enticing challenge, and you have to be a quick thinker - a mastery of many languages is a distinct advantage, and a collection of duplicate documents, while not strictly necessary, is quite useful.
Driving (yours, or anybody elses) car is a minor snaglet, easily overcome. On the other hand, getting residency (assuming you are a member of an EU state) is a very simple procedure these days - and it needn't have implications on your tax position - if you pay tax anywhere...(one of the advantages of being under everybody's radar is that this becomes a non issue).
I can see that the lack of a codice fiscale might cause you considerable inconvenience - but equally, avoiding having one would be a great boon. You would simply have to live your life being able to walk away from 'the deal' if you can't jump through this CF hoop.
Go for it! Nobody is going to put you in prison for living outside the rulebook - and your trials and tribulations (ex courthouse!) would make a good story.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Hey 007 Charles, umm but why would you want to/need to?.
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In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
This all sounds fine, but what do you think will happen when something goes wrong, and insurance needs to claimed upon, or identity nees to proved, or innocence, heaven forbid - who do you think "they" will believe. As with all things in life, I would encourage an intelligent approach to risk taking.
What would Jason Bourne do .........
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Oh persephone! What is insurance? This was the only detail which didn't ring true in the original post - why on earth was he going to waste his money on health insurance, rather than betting on staying healthy? Under the radar is only for optimists.
And, what is identity? If you are truly out of sight it's not worth stealing (and this seems to be a peculiarly British obsession - 'identity theft'). It is only related to creditworthiness, and nobody has any of that anymore!
Live life as if you are not scared - it is quite stress free.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I'd read something, somewhere, at sometime (yes, I'm now past 40!) aout how to live off the radar....I'll have to dig it out; it mentioned only having PAYG phones, only using cash, only etc...
Is there a Google expert in the house?
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
sorry for my susicious nature but what are you hiding/running from? just got out of the clink? or just taken on loads of loans and hoping to dissappear, cos you cant pay?
murdered the wife and the body is hidden, ok sorry just kidding.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=Charles Phillips;104871]
Live life as if you are not scared - it is quite stress free.[/quote]
[SIZE=3]Oh Charles Phillips[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]When I go out, I worry that I may not have enough dog poo bags in my handbag and that my underwear may be on back to front in case I end up in an ambulance. I worry that I may have left the outside light on before I’ve gone to bed and I don’t sleep at nights because I didn’t buy a tube ticket on the Piccadilly line in June 1987.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=3]What hope do I have?[/SIZE]
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
It doesn't have to be that you are running from anything etc. etc. - it is 'just for the crack, like'! And a nicely innocent sort of anarchic 'try on'. Along with optimism, I believe you also have to have your own pretty solid set of moral values, which allows you to determine which 'rule' (or law) has a moral basis in being for the greater good of society, and which one is just a pain in the ass. If you are willing to 'have a go' at inconveniencing yourself by living outside the box it can be great fun, and very satisfying - quite Googlish really so long as you Do No Harm!
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Of course you know , this could all be a double bluff on behalf of Tomroadjunky..........he could just be seeing what a bunch of devious bu$$ers we really are................Regards Anon
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=deborahandricky;104895]Of course you know , this could all be a double bluff on behalf of Tomroadjunky..........he could just be seeing what a bunch of devious bu$ we really are................Regards Anon[/quote]
You could be right, because in his second post, Tomroadjunky says he took a train 'to Hungary from Budapest'.
Schoolboy error!!!!!! Just like the assassin in From Russia with Love ordering red wine with fish!
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I also noticed the mistake about the train, but I thought that it was just that, a silly mistake that we all make from time to time... Now, I am not that convinced.....
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
OMG.....What a right bunch of Smileys People we really are ................with the tune of DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN ...........................grin
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Italy, like everywhere, has nosy neighbours and many who are 'legal minded' so that is one potential problem. As said, driving along the highway is the point where you are exposed, you can try to be a permanent tourist but you will not be able to get away with it in a small community. The EU rules on vehicle length of stay, reregistration etc are only vaguely known and little enforced by the police who prefer simple cases.
Having said that I myself have been in breach of all these rules in France and due to having decent neighbours and a friendly mayor I am sort of protected so I expect you can find similar in your Italian community.
Passports are scanned going in and out of the country now so it would be hard to stay unnoticed for very long especially as the commune that you will be staying in will soon notice a straniero in their midst . But hey give it a try and let us all know how it is going.