Spese condominiale - we signed a contract to rent an

Mark D,

if in the rental contract it is written that <The rent is a fixed amount per month plus a contribution of 200 EUR per month for condominium expenses.>

it means that you have to pay both the rent and the condominium expenses -

Remove from the requested amount the 200 euros for condominium expenses - if the result is equal to the monthly rent - the bank request is correct and to be paid in total

Mark D

bank do not issue the INVOICE - bank only give you payment remember

To have invoice , in Italy , you has to have Partita IVA = VAT NUMBER - for have it , you has to have a FIRM . Maybe you can receive  payment remember from service supplier , for electricity , water ,gas , phone line ...etc .

Londlors do not give you payment remember each months , on the rent contract is writted that you has to pay rent , each month -

it's you who must remember to pay -

you probably gave the homeowner the details of your bank current account, which he communicated to his bank, which, according to the interbank payment procedure called SEPA (form that you should have signed) - made a request, to your bank to withdraw from your bank account, every month, the sum of the rent + condominium charges.

In the contract it is also written <Insieme con il pagamento della prima rata del canone annuale, il conduttore versa una quota di acconto non superiore a quella di sua spettanza risultante dal rendiconto dell’anno precedente. Per le spese di cui al presente articolo i conduttori versano una quota mensile di euro 200,00 (duecento/00) salvo conguaglio>

= Together with the payment of the first installment of the annual fee, the tenant pays a deposit not exceeding that due to him resulting from the previous year's report. For the expenses referred to in this article, the tenants pay a monthly fee of € 200.00 (two hundred / 00), subject to adjustment -

no one supported you when you signed the rental contract and explained, in your language, what did you sign?

Mark d,

in this case, you should SEND AN EMAIL IMMEDIATELY - to your bank - MAYBE TO THE DIRECTOR OF THE AGENCY WHERE YOU OPEN THE BANK ACCOUNT - WITH URGENT WRITING!, and ask for information - personal bank details, they are not public -

before sending the email - that is, NOW !! I recommend that you change the password to access your current account -

The plot thickens..

Apparently the tenant is responsible for paying the charges, but the accountability lies with the landlord. Which is mad :)

So we have a bill for 975 EUR for the condominium expenses.

However so far we've already paid 1,200 EUR (200 EUR per month) to the landlord for the condominium expenses as set out in the contract.

So am I right to assume that the landlord knows when this falls due and pays "our" bill; that this is how these things normally work and that way she knows that it gets paid?

As the landlord is the one held accountable for making sure it's paid, which is presumably why she has asked us to pay these expenses to her monthly (2,400 EUR per year in addition to the rent which I guess includes both this 975 EUR and other costs like the central heating) so that she can do exactly that.

Mark,
sorry, but instead of hunting the buts and ifs - is it no longer logical to send an email or call the landlord and ask him for an explanation?

Yes, it is, but I don't want to ask "Do we need to pay this" since:

1. We are paying this monthly - all property listings of apartments for rent, like ours, include a figure for spese condominiale and what puzzles me is why the landlord collects this each month when it's the tenant that receives the bill. I can only imagine that it is to make sure it is paid because the landlord is the one actually accountable for making sure that happens.

2. The landlord might think "I'll just say yes. That way I get 2,400 EUR per year, and I get to keep most or all of that for myself. They can pay twice".

We have asked around and some friends have the identical situation. They receive the bill, but because like us they pay the landlord monthly they ignore the bill and it is paid by the landlord. This is how I imagined it must work.

The weird thing is that the bill is sent to the tenants, who are not accountable: it is the landlord that is accountable. This makes no sense at all to me but seems to be how things work.

there is a very simple system to check the honesty of the home owner - contact the building administrator and ask for the payment receipts - He is obliged, by law, to send receipts or communicate to who sent them.