8441 Sancho - the return

I understood that there was going to be a review before the account was reactivated?. Ronald with then tell us his decision.
Do correct me if I am wrong.
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Angie Hi It was very subtle and I suspect no announcement which isn't really needed.. If you look at his profile you will see his membership is no longer deactivated.

Thanks Sally, I am really going to have to learn to navigate my way around this site better. Am now struggling with the concept of birthdays, does one add it to the calendar? dont seem to be able to.
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Yes you add your birthday to the calendar but I too seem to have problems doing so and mine recently was missed alas.

If you go to your ‘control panel’ and ‘edit profile’ you can add your date of birth, you also have the option to hide it if you want.

can't say I'm holding my breath personally ...

if he could keep a civil tounge in his head in future (or even just attempt to pick on people his own size as it were) he'd be justifiably welcomed back IMO - but from what I've seen to date, he just wants to get properly banned to impress his buddies/make a statement, and will presumably continue to noise people up accordingly until he gets his wish (asuming that is he can resist the temptation just to leave us to our own devices).

That seems a strange comment to make.

Well Pigro that goes for me as well, and whilst I dont wish to stir up a hornets nest, I agree with what you say. I think Sancho had a wealth of experienced advice, but totally spoilt it because he could not resist being foul to people, or sneering ,or superior. Which is a shame, but doubt he could resist scaring off the newer or less able to defend themselves, members of the forum should he decide to return.

Judging from posts on another forum, IMF is held in disregard by some absent members, as are the people who post on it. I personally hope that they stay where they are, and keep their games within their own group. There is in my opinion no place for it here.

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[quote=Gabbi;79099]That seems a strange comment to make.[/quote]

well, it's a forum so I thought I'd give my opinion ... can't see much point in this particular thread otherwise. I believe you are fairly well acquainted with the history here, so what's your own view?

I'd already given my view. I thought it seemed a strange comment to make (given recent correspondence) - that's all, but seeing as you ask, I think Sancho is knowledgeable and can often be generous in the advice he provides. He can be a raspy old sod if the fancy takes him and he doesn't have the greatest of patience, but I think he has a lot to contribute. I have no negative opinion regarding his behaviour as I find strong characters (yourself included) strangely entertaining. I think we have already discussed how enjoyable it can be to study how some jiggle for position and I often applaud when the underling gets the bone without even trying. And yes, I'm well aquainted with the history here, especially after the kind direction received.

[quote=Angie and Robert;79086]I understood that there was going to be a review before the account was reactivated?. Ronald with then tell us his decision.
Do correct me if I am wrong.
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Do I understand you to mean that you thought you should be involved in this 'review'?

[quote=Gabbi;79105]I'd already given my view. I thought it seemed a strange comment to make (given recent correspondence) - that's all, but seeing as you ask, I think Sancho is knowledgeable and can often be generous in the advice he provides. He can be a raspy old sod if the fancy takes him and he doesn't have the greatest of patience, but I think he has a lot to contribute. I have no negative opinion regarding his behaviour as I find strong characters (yourself included) strangely entertaining. I think we have already discussed how enjoyable it can be to study how some jiggle for position and I often applaud when the underling gets the bone without even trying. And yes, I'm well aquainted with the history here, especially after the kind direction received.[/quote]

Now, Gabbi ... I'm all in favour of strong characters, but they shouldn't be above reproach, should they? Not sure why recent correspondence should make my comment seem in any way strange - if there's [STRIKE]one thing[/STRIKE] two things I try to be its transparent and consistent, and I've made it clear in public posts when I felt Sancho had overstepped the bounds? Anyway, enough jiggling, I'm getting queasy :-)

No Charles.
I just went back to the thread when sancho was excluded, it reads that a review would take place. Absolutely nothing to do with me, would not presume, it is a matter for IMF. Not sure where you got that idea from. Hope this clarifys it for you.
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Gabbi
Forgive me but "raspy old sod"
In my dreams, totally unacceptable attacks on members.
But I find your support for him interesting, please do explain as a new member why you find his behaviour so attractive?
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I didn't say I found his behaviour attractive Angie, if you read the post again you'll see that I said "I find strong characters (yourself included (Pigro)) strangely entertaining."

'cough' 'cough', sorry, just a tickle :winki::wideeyed::laughs:

Have sme cocoa Scatters. Does wonders for coughs or tickles (in your throat)!!! lol

Thanks for that Turtle. Just sat down, busy night, one Limoncello for me though then off to bed, busy day tomorrow too. :eeeek:

Cocoa for cough? I bet doesn't work.

Oh a bit of Rum it might do the trick though. Might just go and try that one instead of the usual Horlick's. :SLEEP:

Rum and Limoncello!!! lol

No, I've finished that, off to bed in a mo, milk on the boil right now :yes:

Sancho misbehaved, he has reaped the consequences of his actions and been banned from this forum for a month.
He’s done his ‘time’ and should be welcomed back as part of this online community.

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Judging from posts on another forum, IMF is held in disregard by some absent members, as are the people who post on it. I personally hope that they stay where they are, and keep their games within their own group. There is in my opinion no place for it here.

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You obviously don’t like what you read on other forums, so it really beats me why you bother to go and read them.

I am on several forums each one is different and I accept that, if I didn’t like what I read and didn’t understand why there were such differences both in the content of the posts and in the membership I would not bother.

You are all for tolerance and kindness, how about showing some yourselves. It is the season of goodwill after all!!!

[quote=Gabbi;79116]Cocoa for cough? I bet doesn't work.[/quote]

Have a look!!!

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4032585.stm[/url]

[quote=turtle;79128][url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4032585.stm]BBC NEWS | Health | Chocolate could be cough medicine[/url][/quote]

OK, so now we will have ladies working their way alone through an entire box of black magic or milk tray for "medicinal reasons" and in future "death by chocolate" desserts will need a prescription.
Are they sure it isn't cancelled out by something else present in the chocolate... because if this is true I can't understand why the connection wasn't made years ago... even stone age/bronze age man knew the beneficial effects of ingesting many wild plants, that are nowadays used in alternative medicines.
Many chemicals or compounds have there effects negated by other chemicals present in a substance, as also do many binary compounds have their effects enhanced or altered.
Chocolate cures coughs ? ... sounds to me like Nestle did the research. :smile:

Hi Nielo, am very tempted to say Bah Humbug, but as season of goodwill and all that.

As for reading other forums and finding stuff I dont like, just keeping informed really, and whilst I may not like the content it does keep me amused.
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I thought 'they' were right to suspend him - did think I'd miss him [even though I strongly disagreed with a lot he said] - but didn't. In fact, I enjoyed a nice quiet run up to Christmas.

Lets hope he returns suitably 'chastened' - and sticks to the information mode, rather than his other side.

[quote=Angie and Robert;79133]
As for reading other forums and finding stuff I dont like, just keeping informed really, and whilst I may not like the content it does keep me amused.
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That was exactly my point Angie and I probably couldn't have put it any better myself.
What's good for the goose..... etc. :winki:

What I also find strange (and it's probably not a good idea to comment openly on this, but what the Hell) is how it is always the same three or four people here who seem to dislike the characters in question, yet they are the very ones who 'dive in' with a post that stirs up the hornets nest. They are also the ones who often cry loudest when they get stung.

Those who are against others and post in that way, by default, then contaminate new members towards the same set of people they dislike and the cycle continues.

Musings on cycles and those who peddle:

Given that a "welcome back" thread was created, should those who don't agree take the high road (stay silent and risk silence being interpreted as tacit agreement) or the low road (voice an opinion and risk accusations of 'stirring it')?

And how does 'stirring it' compare to putting the pot on the stove in the first place - both are likely to provoke debate, but only one could be considered intentionally 'provocative'?

Anyway, bulls will continue to charge at red rags, china will continue to get broken, and rubberneckers will continue to watch the shards fly. Perpetuating that cycle - well, once you learn how, it's just like riding a bike ...

Meanwhile I'm sure Sancho is delighted by the amount of column inches he can generate without having to go to the trouble of posting here! Or maybe a dead horse no longer realises its being flogged?

As two of the strangest (self confessed) car crash rubberneckers here Pigro, perhaps we should agree its a one horse race as we ride through the desert on the trick pony with no mane. :laughs:

[quote=pigro;79141]Musings on cycles and those who peddle:

Given that a "welcome back" thread was created, should those who don't agree take the high road (stay silent and risk silence being interpreted as tacit agreement) or the low road (voice an opinion and risk accusations of 'stirring it')?

And how does 'stirring it' compare to putting the pot on the stove in the first place - both are likely to provoke debate, but only one could be considered intentionally 'provocative'?

Anyway, bulls will continue to charge at red rags, china will continue to get broken, and rubberneckers will continue to watch the shards fly. Perpetuating that cycle - well, once you learn how, it's just like riding a bike ...

Meanwhile I'm sure Sancho is delighted by the amount of column inches he can generate without having to go to the trouble of posting here! Or maybe a dead horse no longer realises its being flogged?[/quote]

Pigro as the originator of this thread I take exception to what you say.

I feel that I should be able to welcome back someone who has been of great help to me over time, and also to show that the administration was as good as it’s word. They banned him for a month and have now reinstated him as promised.

There was no need for anyone to make any other comment and there are plenty of threads. which get no response whatsoever and sit quietly gathering dust.

It does concern me that some people feel justified in stating who they want and don't want on this forum and do so with impunity so long as they target certain people. As far as I'm aware this forum is open to all who stay within the rules.

You seem to suggest that my post was to provoke a reaction. It was not, and had the usual suspects not declared themselves this thread would have gone the way of many others.

apologies Nielo, I didn't realise you were posting a purely rhetorical thread - I assumed you were looking for reaction. Regardless (and with benefit of hindsight) don't you think "the usual suspects" were bound to view it differently?

in the interests of Xmas harmony, everybody have a beer on me
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theres plenty to go round, as I've created a self refilling glass!

[quote=pigro;79153]in the interests of Xmas harmony, everybody have a beer on me
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theres plenty to go round, as I've created a self refilling glass![/quote]

can I have 2 please :bigergrin:

Mines a glass of white wine please Pigro , and yes for the sake of harmony, a Happy Christmas too all.

Ax

[quote=pigro;79152]apologies Nielo, I didn't realise you were posting a purely rhetorical thread - I assumed you were looking for reaction. Regardless (and with benefit of hindsight) don't you think "the usual suspects" were bound to view it differently?[/quote]

No Pigro I don't.

I am completely up front and open in my posts. I say what I mean and I mean what I say.

My post said " Welcome back Sancho" I don't see how that invites others to comment, least of all in the negative terms they have.

Had I said something along the lines of " I'm sure everyone here will join me in welcoming back Sanho, isn’t it wonderful to have him back?" that would have been a completely different matter. For one, I know it would be untrue and secondly it would leave the door wide open for the less tolerant members to revisit their disapproval.

Just because you wear a white hat, it doesn’t make you a ‘goody’ nor if someone gives you a black hat does it automatically make you a ‘baddie’. Perhaps it would be best to read posts and take them at face value rather than attribute the poster with sinister intentions?

[quote=Nielo;79160] Just because you wear a white hat, it doesn’t make you a ‘goody’ nor if someone gives you a black hat does it automatically make you a ‘baddie’. Perhaps it would be best to read posts and take them at face value rather than attribute the poster with sinister intentions?[/quote]

Hear, Hear! :yes::smile:

[COLOR=black]This thread cracks me up! Here is a group of members complaining about the group of baddies who once were here or for some, frequent both forums and that some honest opinions should remain on the other forum. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Take a step back, can't you see that this thread is exactly what you say you dislike. You are all just as opinionated, you discuss who you think is suitable to be on this forum, you frequent and enjoy reading what the so called baddies have to say. There is only one difference, they say it straight whilst you lot skirt around the houses so that it appears that you are all so sweet and polite. Hey, at the end of the day it comes down to meaning the same thing. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]You are all complaining about a reflection of yourselves. :laughs:[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=Nielo;79160]No Pigro I don't.

My post said " Welcome back Sancho" I don't see how that invites others to comment, least of all in the negative terms they have.

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So anyone replying to a post saying, eg, "Good riddance Berlusconi" is mistaken in assuming that such a post in a public forum is meant for comment? In fact it's just one person's expression and we should all understand that we're not allowed to say more?

Gawd - I thought we had enough rules of engagement but my head's spinning now.

[quote=annec;79183][QUOTE=Nielo;79160]No Pigro I don't.

My post said " Welcome back Sancho" I don't see how that invites others to comment, least of all in the negative terms they have.

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So anyone replying to a post saying, eg, "Good riddance Berlusconi" is mistaken in assuming that such a post in a public forum is meant for comment? In fact it's just one person's expression and we should all understand that we're not allowed to say more?

Gawd - I thought we had enough rules of engagement but my head's spinning now.[/quote]

Of course everyone is welcome to contribute and comment.

I put up a thread, you could all have chosen to ignore it but you didn’t so don’t complain about it, no one forced you to participate.

Funny how the same members suddenly crawl out of the wood work in a thread like this, including myself of course but then I don't crawl or skirt around I come straight to the point.

This is the Ten O'clock News.

Road rage has now spread to forum rage. A woman that looked very like a turtle and a very fat man who's identity is known as Sanch have both been mysteriously killed. A number of suspect have been taken in for questionning as eveidence was found on more than one Italian forum. :laughs::laughs::laughs:

The main suspect in the murder of the amphibian has claimed self defence, as the victim of this most heinous crime is said to have grassed up at least one of the suspected perpetrators. :policeman:

At present it is not clear what the link is with the fat man and the turtle but they did visit the same forum.

NEWSFLASH......NEWSFLASH......NEWSFLASH

Forensic investigators have unearthed several key indicators that this entire enquiry may be about a case of mistaken identity regarding the constituents of a fruit based beverage known as a smoothie.:policeman:

NEWSFLASH

Further evidence has been leaked. Found near the bodies is a soup ladle and a flat pack allen key!

NEWSFLASH......NEWSFLASH......NEWSFLASH

At a police press conference earlier today, it was announced that the arrest of several Fig trees had taken place following a Police 'sting' operation. The trees were detained when they made the mistake of accepting an invitation to a fake Christmas drinkies party in the capitol. A press officer for the constabulary stated that the Fig trees were likely to be charged with impersonating a Banana. At least one of the trees was photographed entering Ladbrook Grove Police station under cover of an M&S duvet. :policeman:

NEWS 24

The two bodies have been identified as members of two opposing gangs and this clip from a mobile phone has been released.

[ame=http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oOGRj0-cEk4]YouTube - gut[/ame]

If anyone has further information please phone the Police Hotline 12121212 :policeman:

The gang members have been using a private reporting system to pass on information about the opposing gang to their own members and also use a secret code of a very loud cough.