10764 Residency Again !!

The main problem that you have is that, unless he is living in the house, he will not be there when the Vigili make their routine check following your application. Then, as you say, you need an address and the habitability certificate. It sounds to me as though your only hope is get the restoration finished as soon as possible!

[quote=Marc;100405]The main problem that you have is that, unless he is living in the house, he will not be there when the Vigili make their routine check following your application. Then, as you say, you need an address and the habitability certificate. It sounds to me as though your only hope is get the restoration finished as soon as possible![/quote]

Marc is right. My restoration was slower that I thought and we (geometra and I) spoke to our Ufficio Technico in the Comune about 'habitability'. We were told that they would NOT pass the house as habitable if it was still undergoing a lot of renovation. To meet the 18 month rule we looked at getting kitchen, 1 bathroom, one other room, all the windows, shutters and front door in and my furniture booked for delivery. That way the outside work carried on but did not affect the habitability.

Has the law changed since 2005? I think not. Our neighbour's large house was not completed within 18 months and it was going to be their main residency, so what they did to save the Tax, was rent a place (actually an apartment at a "holiday village") in the autumn and the Police went there. They were never in of course but pinned a note to the door saying in Italian we are at....(building site address and cell phone no). The minor problems came when they had to re register their address to their "real home" once they had left the apartment. Such things as ENEL bills and Rubbish bills.

The process for residency application has changed significantly since 2005.
My Comune, in common with others, requires only that they photocopy the applicant's passport & are given an Italian Bank Statement showing sufficient funds (a little over €5K) & either documentation from the UK showing the applicant has rights to British NHS which will be transferred or expensive FULL Private Health Insurance that will pay the Italian Health System if the applicant uses it.
I am self-employed in the UK so was sent an E106 (see the thread) & I will, or should, be given full reciprocal rights to the Italian State Health system in exactly the same way as an Italian. Because I continue to pay basic NI I still retain access to British NHS.
My property doesn't have a number, it's S.N.C., senza numero comunale & is still "inargibile", uninhabitable but because residency only requires that you are living in the comune somewhere which need not be your own property then this should not be an issue.
Re the Policia Municipale verifying where you live; just pop in to the Comune & arrange an appointment.
Based on my experience, I would get the ball rolling ASAP. Call into the Comune Anagrafe Office & tell them you want residency, get whatever bumph they give out telling you what they require but before you leave the office insist that they initiate your application by beginning to fill out the huge form, even though you havn't got all your requirements together, & dating it with todays date & you sign it. Get a reciept if you can then get the Comunes requirements together as fast as you can because Murphy's law is highly active in Italy. The fact that they have dated the application should keep you within the 18 month rule but I have no evidence of this so figure it's just a bit of unproven rumour. Be also aware that not all Italian Comune sing from the same hymn sheet. Maybe they are supposed to but they figure all the other Comune are screwing up, not them.
If you are self-employed by the way, conducting ANY work here in Italy relating to you're UK business, 1 e-mail, 1 phone call, 1 letter, possibly even a conversation, will effectively prevent you being issued with an E106.
Pilch

[quote=pilchard;101692]I am self-employed in the UK so was sent an E106 (see the thread) & I will, or should, be given full reciprocal rights to the Italian State Health system in exactly the same way as an Italian. Because I continue to pay basic NI I still retain access to British NHS.[/quote]

Does paying NI in the UK still give you access to the NHS after obtaining an E106? I was advised by the dept who issue E106s (is it the pensions dept? - sorry, I can't remember) that once the E106 is issued, we would be treated as tourists in the UK so far as health care is concerned? It would seem, according to my conversation, that you can only be part of the Italian or UK public health system at any one time, not both. As we're still only English speakers (sadly), this has halted our application for residency as we don't want to risk being without an English-speaking health system.

Sorry for partly hijacking the thread!

[quote=Masca;101708]Does paying NI in the UK still give you access to the NHS after obtaining an E106? I was advised by the dept who issue E106s (is it the pensions dept? - sorry, I can't remember) that once the E106 is issued, we would be treated as tourists in the UK so far as health care is concerned? It would seem, according to my conversation, that you can only be part of the Italian or UK public health system at any one time, not both. As we're still only English speakers (sadly), this has halted our application for residency as we don't want to risk being without an English-speaking health system.

Sorry for partly hijacking the thread![/quote]
Have a look here:
[url]http://www.italymag.co.uk/forums/legal/9803-private-health-insurance-again.html[/url]

There is lots of useful information about E106's & my experiences with the Department of work & pensions. If you follow some of the earlier links you will find reports of otheres experiences too.

"in la bocca al lupo" :smile:

Um Masca you may be right my understanding was you cannot belong to both and the purpose of continuing to pay NI is to build up a pension credit.I understand what you say re the health service and not knowing the language, but when you are thrown in at the deep end as we were you do actually manage to get through it OK, health care providers do tend to be very helpful here and as in England you do get used to the terms for different things, some are much the same, and a few words of Italian do go a long way. So dont let that stand in your way, yes we still make mistakes and my Italian GP has a good laugh, but he has bought an English dictionary and we have had excellent care here.
A

[quote=Sharon L;100395]Hi
I wonder if anyone can advise me on the following:-
We are in the process of renovating a house which my husband purchased at first house tax rate - which means he needs to get residency within 18 months. The house does not have a number yet which we are obtaining at the moment, it also does not have a certificate of habitation. I understand that he needs the house number to obtain residency but does anyone know whether he will he need an actual certificate of habitation, as it is likely to take us more than 18 months to complete and he will need to obtain residency before this time.

Also, when I obtained residency it was different and I understand that this has now changed - can anyone please advise me as it all seems a bit confusing, on what he will now have to do and what he will require. He will also be working and living in the UK for some of the year so will not need to use the health system etc., but will need residency to avoid incurring a fine for not paying the full tax amount on the property.

Thanks[/quote]

We went through exactly the same thing as you several years ago (and it is still going on now!). Because we could not sell our business in time and move over here full time and because our renovation took several years, we had to pay the difference between the first tax rate and the other rate as it took much longer than the 18 months allowed. If you try and pretend you are living here it makes it difficult as they do call round your house and you would need to be in.

The other problem we have (again just like yourselves) is that we did not have the civic number for the house and are still waiting for it today - we applied for it in February (Amandola Comune!). Its a bit of a catch situation as as far as we can understand you need the change of use (which we had to pay €2000 for) first, then you can get your civic number, then eventually you can apply for residency. Good luck.

We were waiting for the carabinieri to call and after some time we called at the anagrafe and were informed that they had been and everything was OK. Much surprised we mused that they had stopped at the house seen our English car and decided that the local crazy English were indeed in residence - I love Italy!

Yup, I can also confirm that you don't need to have your own house habitable to obtain residency. We rent since our own place is er...a long way off being anything ;) They just want to know that you have a fixed address at the time of the application.

Why do you need civic number? Our house is senza numero, in fact is abusivo (long story, dodgy agent and we were naive and didn't find out until too late), no problem for Policia Municipale who came along to visit us and we got our residency without problem. Was over 2 years ago though

Hi there, with interest I've been reading the above forum re. this certificate.
So, from what I understand you can take residence in the house you buy without the certificate ? We already have residence in another city in italy,but ofcourse of the prima casa concept want to use this advantage of taking residence there immediately. The house we buy needs to have some work done ( cracks in some walls mainly...and paintwork), but all doors and windows work, heating, electricity, plumbing are working... I just wonder how critical it will be to get the certificate... is it critical or do they just check everything works? What is the best approach to acquire it ? Hire someone to assist in the request?
Thanks for the advise,
Frank

Can anyone tell me the advantages of taking Italian residency please?
I spend roughly 6 months of the year in Italy.
Thanks

for a start lower utility costs, lower bank charges .....

and wht about the disadvantages? is there a web site that explains all this? I'd be so grateful for info on this matter. Everything in Italy is so 'sfumato', ie. cloudy!:madd: