3460 accatastamento del fabbricato.What does it mean?

The 'Catasto' is the Land Registry; they record the ownership of property and its designation as agricultural or residential land.

If property hasn't changed in any way since the last transaction, the Notaio will simply record the change of ownership and submit that to the Catasto as part of the process of Notarising the transaction. On the other hand, if new building has occured, change of use of buildings or land from agricultural to residential, or if deviations have been made in boundaries or roads, a Geometra will have to register the present state of the property so that the documents which the Notary draws from the Catasto reflect its actual state. That process is known as 'accatastamento'. The 'fabbricata' part means the building, so if the building is a new-build, or has been extended, then it will have been neccesary to register the building on the plans held by the Catasto.

Hope this helps.

[FONT="Book Antiqua"][SIZE="3"]Hi

When we put in an offer on our house it was accepted straight away BUT 2 weeks later the Agent contacted us to tell us that there needed to be some Castato documents drawn up for compromesso and these would cost the vendors £3,000 we were asked to make a payment of half this as a good will gesture which I refused to do (hard woman)

It sounds as if you were never asked and the vendors have just passed the cost on to you???I may be wrong as your docs could be differerent but ours relate to a change to Urban from Rural.

Its as clear as mud.

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[QUOTE=Marc;29057]The 'Catasto' is the Land Registry; they record the ownership of property and its designation as agricultural or residential land.

If property hasn't changed in any way since the last transaction, the Notaio will simply record the change of ownership and submit that to the Catasto as part of the process of Notarising the transaction. On the other hand, if new building has occured, change of use of buildings or land from agricultural to residential, or if deviations have been made in boundaries or roads, a Geometra will have to register the present state of the property so that the documents which the Notary draws from the Catasto reflect its actual state. [/QUOTE]

We had the re-registration from rural to domestic done at the time of purchase together with the revised boundaries that changed as a result of acquiring land with the property.

Would further registration normally be necessary following broadly cosmetic renovation work which leaves the building's facade and external appearance largely unchanged? Minor changes to windows and doors only. Interior work comprised some minor structural stuff - new internal doorways and blocking up others plus newly installed ground floor to replace original cobbles in the stalle.

Slightly confused with the plethora of applications and forms, some of which appear to be contingent on others.

It looks as though the registration you had done reflects the change of use, from agricultural to residential. Any further work you had done shouldn't affect anything, as far as the Catasto is concerned, as long as you didn't extend the structure.

Marc is broadly correct, except that if your new ground floors have been laid in order that you can use the ground floor accommodation as 'habitable' (if before, it had been animal stalls or cantina), then at some point you probably will have to do another accatastamento.

I agree, Relaxed. I was assuming that the conversion of the ground floor from stalls to habitable space was part of the original Accatastamento.

By the way, anyone can visit their regional office and get print-outs of their own, or anyone else's boundaries, plots and buildings at their regional [url=http://www.agenziaterritorio.it/agenzia/i_nostri_uffici/ufficiprovinciali/index.htm]Agenzia Del Territorio[/url], by citing the name of the owner and the Comune in which their property is. If you have had work done, it might be worth checking to see that the Geometra has submitted the changes and the Catasto has been updated, because the last thing you want is to only discover that they haven't when you come to sell you house. Changes can take 3 months or more to be applied.

You can get groundplans of the interior of your own home if you take ID with you, but for security reasons, you can't check-out other people's houses.

I think that the governement is in the process of transferring the records from the regional offices to individual Comunes, but I'm not sure if that is complete yet.

manopello

its a common ruse used here in abruzzo ... i dont know about elsewhere ... far from being hard you were wise... its funny how these costs always come up a couple of weeks after being back in the uk.... and run in much the same category as the owner having other buyers ...etc...

you did right to call the bluff and maybe saved yourself money down the line when they realised they would only be working off their agreed fee and the reconstruction work was maybe quoted more honestly because they knew you would accept less bullshit than others.........

[QUOTE=Relaxed;54124]Marc is broadly correct, except that if your new ground floors have been laid in order that you can use the ground floor accommodation as 'habitable' (if before, it had been animal stalls or cantina), then at some point you probably will have to do another accatastamento.[/QUOTE]

Thanks to both Marc and Relaxed. Presumably it would not have been possible for this to have been included in the accatastamento done at the time of purchase as the new floors were not laid - or can future plans be included in the notice/application? But slightly confused as although the Geometra indicated he would need to run up some work, he also said that ultimately it would not go to the comune (or other authority)??

Do we need this accatastamento for other certificates?

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As you yourself mentioned, various bits of paperwork are contingent on others - seems to be a fact of life that all Italian bureaucracy is a serial business..

Your experience is absolutely normal. The tidying up of the catastal position (rural to urban, perhaps a frazionamento for land) is done before you complete the purchase. Then anything you do to your new property (for example, your ground floor works) should be notified to the catastal office when you have completed the works. I say should, because frequently this isn't done until you come to sell on the house.

However, there are some changes (which have already been authorised in law) in the pipeline, with a somewhat uncertain timescale. The local comune will take control of their own catastal records, and will begn to check these against any works which have been authorised, and start to badger the householder to put everything in order - you won't be surprised to learn this will be at your cost!

I'm a bit confused that your geometra is saying that a future accatastamento won't be needed. It is possible that the name of the procedure will change when the other changes come in - that's my only possible interpretation.