1365 Identity Card

[QUOTE=pamela catalano]After one year I have now obtained my residence permit for a national of a member state. ( For 5 years). I presumed that I could now have an identity card, to save taking my passport everywhere I go. However when I went to the commune with my paperwork I was asked " Who gave you permission to have an identity card" ?
I am back to square one, in trying to buy a car, I have been told that I need to bring an Italian identity card and need to be a resident to buy a car. I am now a resident with no identity card.... has anyone else had this problem, ? I really need a car, I cannot keep calling friends for lifts into town etc....

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Hi ,go into the comune,ask for the name of the person you spoke to from someone else in there.Go back to the person(with the necessary documents,permesso di siggiorno,photo etc) who told you this then inform them that if they do not start filling in the forms NOW, you'll be back later with the CARABINIERI after having filed a denuncia .see the difference ONLY WAY to do things i'm afraid.

We are about to buy a car...no-one has mentioned ID card ..only proof of residency...... :confused:

No need to call the carabinieri! The comune is correct.

The problem lies in the translation of certain documents. The Permesso or Carta di Soggiorno should be translated to permit to stay. Unfortunately this is often translated as a residency permit so that when people are told they need residency to do certain things they think they already have it.

Anyway, to be able to get a carta d'identità you will need to go to your comune and apply for residenza (residency). It takes about 30 days for the whole thing to be finalized and in that amount of time the police will stop by to verify that you live there.

You can read about what is needed etc. here [url]http://www.expatsinitaly.com/arrival/paperwork.htm[/url]

Lyn, the ID card proves residency. You should not have to show any other document proving residency. Just the card.

Cristina, thank you for taking the time to reply, I already went to the commune last March with my permisso di soggiorno, I signed forms etc and my name and address was entered into a large ledger. Then I had to wait and go back to the questura, in July, I then returned because they had made a mistake and entered my birthday incorrectly. Every time this is a 6 hour round trip. I finally thought everything had now been done, however, I now have a problem getting an ID card.
My question is even though I am a resident, will they accept my British passport as proof of identity.

Why are they making everything so difficult? Is it because I will be given benefits and a council house when I am finally accepted ( I do not think so ).
Once more thanks for your input.

Pamela, are you sure you have residency ? I am wondering if the fact your birth date was wrong on your Permisso means your residency hasn't gone through ??? :confused:
After we had got our Permisso di Soggiorno, which took about 6 weeks,
we went along to Commune and a lady filled in another huge form ( took about 45 minutes !) gave us a receipt and told us it would be ready in a month and in the meantime the police would call at the house to check we were resident and not just on holiday.
The police came about 5 days before the month was up. From what I have read on the Forum, they will not issue residency until you get this visit from the police.
We went back to Commune and they gave us all our certificates back ( marriage, birth etc.) and a signed certificate headed 'Certificato di Residenza'
which has an official stamp and is signed. At no time were ID cards mentioned and although we took passport size photos with us, she said she didn't need them !!
Is it possible that each region 'does its' own thing ' ??? Can anyone advise on this please.
Totally agree that this is much more hassle than I thought it would be. I had assumed that being a member of the EU would simplify things but haven't found that to be the case.
Will be interested to know of your experiences and if everyone now resident has got an ID card.
I have no objection to the ID card, just a bit fed up now with the constant backwards and forwards trying to get it all sorted..we have been here 4 months now and thought we could now buy our car...but now I'm not so sure !!
I can't imagine why she didn't do ID cards at same time or at least tell us to then apply for them ...and I speak Italian reasonably well..so language wasn't the issue !! :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=alex and lyn]I can't imagine why she didn't do ID cards at same time or at least tell us to then apply for them ...and I speak Italian reasonably well..so language wasn't the issue !! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE] Normally the person who handles residency does not handle ID cards. The ID card takes just a minute to do. Bering your photos, your certificato di residenza and whatever the fee is these days and you should get it either immediately or within a week or two (I hear now some comune send them out).

Pamela, next time when you go to the comune ask for a certificato di residenza from the anagrafe. If everything is fine they should have no qualms in also doing an ID card for you if you ask for it. If they do not have you as havinbg residency in the computer then you need to find out why. As a resident you have a right to an ID card.

Thanks Cristina....came up trumps as usual.....off to Commue....again :rolleyes: !!!!

Now can't find photos...anyone around San Vito dei Normanni know where there is a passport photo booth. I know there isn't one at the airport 'cos we've already looked.....and haven't noticed one anywhere...not at Post office either ....shall also put this under 'General'

Check the train station as well as near the comune. You may just want to ask at the comune and see where they send you.

Knowing our Commune it will probably be Milano !!!! :D

Returned today to the commune, as the agency who are handling the car sale rang yesterday to tell me that unless I had an Italian ID then although I could take the car and drive the car , ( providing insurance etc was in order and I of course pay for the car), I would not have proper ownership as this would stay in the name of the person who is selling the car.
Although it was only last Friday when I went to the commune, she did not recognise me, and once more just said " no No No ".
One of the replies on the forum was to threaten with the cabinieri, one walked in whilst I was there and it was all smiles and banter with " She who must be obeyed", so I do not think I would get very far going down that road.
I am going back tomorrow with my commercialist, as he says he may be able to help me . I will keep you all informed.
I must agree with Cristina who seems to think every commune has a different way of doing things, as Alex & Lyn obtained their Certificato di Residenzia with just a permisso di Soggiorno. I had to wait for my residency permit and still cannot get anywhere.

[QUOTE=pamela catalano]Alex & Lyn obtained their Certificato di Residenzia with just a permisso di Soggiorno. I had to wait for my residency permit and still cannot get anywhere.[/QUOTE] Okay I don't understand. I think the terminology is what confuses me. Alex and Lyn got their permesso di soggiorno (which quite often is translated as residency permit but should be translated as permit to stay) and then applied for residenza (residency) at their comune. They had to wait for the police to come by and verify that they lived there. Once they were granted residency they could apply for a carta d'identità. You do not need to obtain a certificato di residenza either. It is just a formality. It is also not valid after 6 months anyway. The carta d'identità is proof of residency and should suffice for most everything. SOme things you do need the actual certificato with a bollo but it is rare.

So back to my confusion, when you write residency permit do you mean permesso di soggiorno or residenza?

If you cannot get anywhere with this one woman, ask her to show you proof on a legal document that says you cannot get a carta d'identità or you will call your embassy and the police to denounce her (I am totally serious as it is your right to have a CdI).

The only thing different for a foreigner is that on their CdI it says NON VALIDA ALL'ESPATRIO which means you cannot use this to travel around the EU, you must use your passport instead.

Here is a link to a site for foreigners in Italy (all in Italian though [url]http://www.stranieriinitalia.it/news/CartaIdentita.htm[/url]

Cristina
[url]www.expatsinitaly.com[/url]
[url]www.expattalk.com[/url]

This is especially for Alex & Lyn who are as desperate as I am to own a set of wheels. What a great help the forum has been I felt that I was no longer alone and had all these people behind me. All the people who had taken the trouble to read my thread.Will you all now join me in a glass of champers? I got my identity card today, so now I can go and buy my car. There was talk of each commune doing exactly what they want to do. No police visit was made to the house, however, in this very small community everyone knows all your business. ( No chance of knocking a few years of your age here! ) Your date of birth is on every document.
They know every stick of furniture which came into the house etc etc....so, I am sure the police already know all about us.
May I say a big thanks to everyone out there, keep up the good work everybody.
Alex & Lyn hope you get your car soon, as I said maybe where you live you will not need an ID to buy a car.

Pamela

We are so pleased you got your ID card in the end.....you are right..the forum is worth its' weight in gold...we couldn't have survived without it !!

Glad your neighbours are 'interested' in you !!!!! :D

Alex went to look at a car last night and they have told him he can drive it away on Monday if he wants ... they have photocopied his Residency Cert. and taken his Codice Fiscale details and a copy of his passport.....Didn't ask or even mention ID Card !!!!!!!!! :cool:

Problem , when he got home and thought about it ...it is not really what we are looking for ... :rolleyes: ......!!!!! Engine too big ( petrol guzzler ! )...still at least we have made a start ...and it all looks promising. :)

What type of car are you looking for Pamela ?..please keep us up to date with how you get on.

Pamela, congrats! Did the woman just finally give in or did you need to do something else to get the ID card. Would be great for others who may be in your same situation to know any tricks needed.

Alex & Lyn wrote "Didn't ask or even mention ID Card !!!!!!!!! "

Mainly they just want to make sure you are a resident so as long as you show a residency cert. and a passport for ID, that should suffice but of course every dealership will have their own way of doing things.

we didn't buy first car...but bought exactly what we were looking for yesterday.

I think Crisitna is right in that each dealer deals with things differently ( perhaps even different regions).

We didn't need ID cards or even our Residency Papers...just signed a form declaring where we lived ( just Contrado.... SN (senza indirizzio-without address) ..Can't help wondering if we could have bought before residency and saved a fortune on hiring :rolleyes: ...still we are sorted now .... :)

Alex and Lyn
You'll find it much easier to go to your local photograhers. Most towns/villages have at least 1. Ask for la tessura. The photograher will take you into their studio and take your pic and within a few minutes you'll have 4 passport size pics. Take 3 of them to the commune with your permesso di soggiorno and certificato di residenza.The fee for an identity card is currently €5,20 and the card lasts for 5 years. You need to have some physical characteristcs listed on the card and the officer at the anagrafe will either ask you your height or have you measured. Then they will look at you to note your eye and hair colour.They will also want to know your profession. It can be issued immediately, or you might be asked to come back tomorrow/next week etc.
Regards
Richard

I have posted this on a couple of other threads as well but here is the latest on the 'buying a car' saga ..in case anyone misses it.

Despite being told by salesman we didn't need ID Cards or Residency Certificate , when Alex went to the guy who transfers the ownership and the insurance company last night, BOTH insisted on seeing and taking a copy of the Residence Certificate. I think ID cards would also have been accepted but they wanted absolute proof of residency.
Just wanted to set the record straight.

Back after spending a week away buying my car. The Identity card is alike to a golden key which opens up all the doors for you. Immediately they have the card they key your name into the computer and everything is there. Codice Fiscale , the lot! The other interesting thing to know is that you have to pay the agency who handle the sale of the car ( remember my car was secondhand, may not apply to a new car), and the notari .In total I paid 485 Euros. Again everywhere I went they asked for my identity card.

Now the big surprise , the insurance.In the UK my last car was a Honda Civic, and with my 60% no claims bonus I paid £300 per annum . I have been told that I must pay E1400 for six months, I am also told that I will not be covered for any repairs on my car, if I have an accident, they will only pay for repairs on the other car involved.

In all the years I have been driving up & down the motorways in the UK I have never had an accident, I consider myself to be a good , careful driver, so I am amazed at the amount which I have been quoted. Seeing the way they drive in Basilicata, I am probably paying for their bad driving.

I have just come back from Padova, where I bought my car which came down on a transporter ,by the way,and I must say that the driving is very good there, they even stop at zebra crossings to let you cross the road, unheard of down here. Has anyone else been quoted outrageous amounts for insurance?

Pamela

Pamela,

Perhaps your driving licence has an impact on the amount quoted?

When I moved to the UK (from Germany), my first UK insurance company only took part of my no-claims bonus into account (as standard). I had to accept it and come up with the cash for an unusually large quote (can't remember exactly but it was over £800 for an old banger)! A year later I managed to switch insurance companies and my quotes went down quite quickly from there.

I was told at the time that the main reason for the high insurance quote was a) that I was new in the country, and b) had a European driving licence.

Perhaps it would be worth investigating other insurance companies and their policies, as this seems a rather large amount?

Stephanie

Car insurance has been extensively covered in various other posts - have a look through the 'Search' function and loads of info will come up.
It is expensive here in Italy, many companies do not recognise UK no claims and as such the costs can be astronomical. Try Direct Line, ([url]www.directline.it[/url]) it has been recommended on more than one occasion as they do acknowledge UK no claims, as has another company, I cannot remember the name offhand. Shop around, but it will still be more than UK and is only 3rd party not comprehensive. Also check the driver is included, this does not happen automatically as in Italy the car is insured rather than the driver. Ask your former company to write a letter confirming any no claims you have in years rather then as a %, an Italian company want proof of years.
Regards
Anne2