11893 Help Who or What are Agenzia Entrate

It's the equivalent of Inland Revenue- here's their english site:
[url=http://www1.agenziaentrate.it/inglese/]Agenzia delle Entrate - Home page versione inglese[/url]
What's the bill you received say it's for?

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Hope someone can help, who or what are Agenzia Entrate, been here almost 6 years and have just received a first document from them and it looks like a bill, one for OH and one for me. Each for around 132 euros.
Doesn't look like ICI, rubbish tax, water, income tax etc.
Have just become permanent residents, after five years of residency, is this a factor.

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It could be any number of things. But it's going to be a tax of some kind. Is it on a 'bolletino' ready to pay at a bank or Post Office? Or is it a standard type Bill?

Have you made an annual tax return before now on a '730 IRPS' form before? (that's your annual tax return for Italian earnings/income)

Aretina

It could be a TV licence - what does it say on it?

The A.E also collect the fee for that.

Thanks so much for the quick replies.
It's not a TV licence because we've paid that already, in January - its also around 120 euros.
Yes, it is on a bolletino, but we pay our income tax, twice a year and previously ici, through our commercialista so haven't done our own tax returns since we have been here. Wouldn't know where to start!!! It's bad enough in your own language.
Thanks for the link Noma, I'll have a look at the site. I couldn't work out what this sum was based on, although I did work out there would be fines if it was not paid in 30 days!
Having been warned its income tax I think I'll call the commercialista.
Thanks again.

Aretina

How easy was it to get your permanent residency - were you made to jump through hoops?

I ask, because we will hoping to go down that path next year.

Thanks in anticipation:smile:

Hi Ghianda

Easy-peasy! :smile:

But, I think that's because we came here before the rules changed in ?? Feb 2007. We did not have to show private health insurance, earnings etc. although they did ask for our bank details, so I suppose they did contact them. We went down to the Comune, and it seems, from the Certificates we are now the proud owners of, that we met these conditions:

1.Attended the office.
2.Presented relevant documents, including just expired Permesso di Soggiorno, i.d. card, codice fiscale, UK passports, health card (credit card type one) and three 14.62 bolli. Also had to pay another 0.52 euros for the little stamp the lovely lady at the Servizi Demografici (our births, marriages, deaths, etc.)put on before putting yet another rubber stamp on it.
3. Met the conditions of legislativio no. 30 del 6.2.2007

Took about 2 months to do.

They couldn't have been more helpful, just one person to deal with and we didn't have to wait in line because this woman appeared to be in charge and only deal with this type of case. i.e. not the normal births, change of address, requests for new id cards etc.

For others reading this was for EU citizens it is not the same for non-EU citizens.

Hope your comune is as helpful:yes:

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3. Met the conditions of legislativio no. 30 del 6.2.2007

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Sorry Aretina, but i suppose you know what no 3 is all about?

Thanks again.

My understanding is that it is the new EU regulation which governs who can become a resident in another EU country and claim 'rights/benefits' of that country. I think I remember Spain and France have also changed their laws. Perhaps the reason was so many of us 'going grey ones' moved to sunnier climes and started to depend more and more on the services of our new country. But I am sure others will have the full reason.
I do know that now 'new' residents have to show evidence of private health insurance and ? earnings level.

Hi again Aretina.

Sorry to be a pain, but is there anything on your new permanent residency thingy which might indicate whether you are deemed permanent in all of Italy i.e. could sell up and move on somewhere else, or whether the permanent element relates just to your comune?

Thanks in anticipation.:smile:

Please chip in anyone else you knows the answer.

Marc translated a brief summary of the law. Not sure if it contains the answer.
[URL="http://www.italymag.co.uk/forums/legal/6284-abolition-carta-di-soggiorno-permesso-di-soggiorno-eu-citizens.html"]http://www.italymag.co.uk/forums/legal/6284-abolition-carta-di-soggiorno-permesso-di-soggiorno-eu-citizens.html[/URL]

Hi Ghianda

As I understand it we have a right of permanent residency in Italy which has been registered in Arezzo, but if we move to another comune we have to register our new address, but as I understand it this is the same for all Italians.

Buona Giornata

ps Just seen the Marc link, our 'right to stay' was based on our arriving before the new 2007 law.

Once you have permanent residency it is valid for all ITaly - but obviously moving between comunes means you have to inform the anagrafe - its just like you are a real Italian!

Back to Agenzia Entrate - thanks for advice, have sent all the docs. over to our commercialista to sort out. There was some idea, from HIM, that it could be for a late payment of tax, but as he does all our tax and we pay him before the due date, it could be that we will be having a meaningful conversation. Thank G*d he speaks perfect english!

Hey, but Aretina, you mustn't let him - you've got to try out congugating the verb -"to depreciate".

Thanks to you and Noma and Ram for the info re permanent residency. It was a fear I had that if ever we decide to move to a new location in Italy, then we would have to go through the whole darn process again and lose our entitlement to health care as part of the fall-out.

Phew :smile: