In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
:laughs:
I did read that they have reduced the number of confessions expected though, so they have obviosuly had come management consultants in:
- Increase the 'produce range'
- Reduce 'front-line-staff'
- etc...
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Well, nothing is basicaly new and I think that it is yet another piece of media manipulation as they have not taken into consideration several matters.
In order to understand this you have to look at the nature of sin and particularly a mortal or capital sin could be defined as one where you [B][I]voluntarily and knowingly [/I][/B]cause harm or offend God or your fellow human beings. That is to say, and taking drugs as an example, if you take a drug, whichever, knowingly and voluntarily, you were always commiting a mortal sin. [B][U]If you are a drug addict and you cannot control your actions, because there is not the "intention" to commit a sin,[/U][/B] the situation is different. In order to sin you have to have the willingness and necessary knowledge and then you are trespassing God's commandments. This has always existed.
I think that Monsignor is only reminding Catholics that the Church considers these acts as sins.
In order to get absolution, [B][U]the person has to be genuinely sorry about his/her faults and has to promise never to do it again[/U][/B]... something an addict cannot do until totally cured.
As for genetic experiments and manipulation I think that the position of the Catholic Church has always been clear. You may argue, but then, this is your freewill and everyone's responsibility. If you genuinely think the Church is wrong, technically , should you trespass, this is not a sin, because you did not think it was one in the first place. You will be going, though, against the laws of the Church.This is something which not many people realise, the [B][U]direct relation between your own conscience and God[/U][/B], the priest who takes confession is a mere go-between and you can even bypass him if you use the Third Rite of confession, which is now widely used. What happens is that you are advised to see a priest at some later stage if you had mortal sins and if you need counselling.
As I said, nothing is really new. You may see that the journalist puts lying as one of the mortal sins.... It all depends on the kind of lie, the circumstances, whether your intention was to cause serious harm through your lie and consciously do it anyway..... The person who wrote the article does not know much about the subtleties of religion, particularly the Catholic denomination.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I just saw this other article which further illustrates my points. Nothing is really new.
[url=http://news.aol.com/story/_a/vatican-updates-thou-shalt-not-list/20080310151509990001]Vatican Updates Thou-Shalt-Not List - AOL News[/url]
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
That's a much more measured and clear news item.
I did wonder about the theological justification for the Vatican bureaucracy being able arbitrarily to invent new mortal sins, but from your post above and the AOL news item, it's clear that that angle on the story is at best a gross exaggeration.
(I take a keen anthropological interest on what all the world's various religions practice and preach.)
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I thought that you might be interested to read the article that caused all of the over-sensationalised news headlines about all these "new sins".
It was from the [URL="http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0801336.htm"]Catholic News Service, March 10th[/URL].
The CNS went on to give an interesting response to the various "interpretation" of the story [URL="http://newshub.cnslis.com/2008/03/10/new-sins-hardly/"]here[/URL]...
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=Steve Graham;85094]That's a much more measured and clear news item.
I did wonder about the theological justification for the Vatican bureaucracy being able arbitrarily to invent new mortal sins, but from your post above and the AOL news item, it's clear that that angle on the story is at best a gross exaggeration.
(I take a keen anthropological interest on what all the world's various religions practice and preach.)[/quote]
Steve, if you are interested in these topics, do a search with the words [B][I]attrition [/I][/B](imperfect) and [B][I]contrition[/I][/B] (perfect) plus the word [B][I]Catholic[/I][/B] and you will find very interesting information regarding repentance.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=Sally Donaldson;85037]As if we haven't enough to worry about, The Vatican has increased the number of sins!!! Have a shifty. - [url=http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20080310/twl-vatican-increases-number-of-mortal-s-3fd0ae9.html]Vatican Increases Number Of Mortal Sins - Yahoo! News UK[/url] One is Drug Abuse which I find a very unsympathetic and narrow minded view. People that turn to drugs (and alcohol) do so usually because they are troubled and they need to be both pitied and helped. Not condemned and made to feel guilty..[/quote]
We are ALL responsible for our own actions,and whilst i am sure some druggies maywell deserve pity and indeed help,i do not believe this should be taken as being a generalisation.
[quote]As if we haven't enough to worry about [/quote]
Surely this only applies to devout catholics?and indeed drug taking catholics. I,d edge my bets the majority on here have nothing to worry about,on that score.
...and 'genetic manipulation'. Technically, that would have to include any kind of animal or plant breeding to change or create breeds. It's evil, I tell you!