In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=alan h;93084]Apart from [probably] checking them against unsolved crimes - I can't see much else that he can do with them.
So no complaints from any law abiding citizens then? [apart from the 'erosion of my personal freedom' squad of course][/quote]
Exactly my point, Alan!
We already carry ID cards with our photos on them and now they want our fingerprints but what use is the fingerprint?
I may be a touch cynical but I believe that this is purely to cover the fact that the government is presently fingerprinting all the Roma in the camps, even the children. In order to make this look less racist and discriminatory...we’ll fingerprint everyone!
It is just another layer of red tape with the extra cost too and I can’t see the point other than my cynical interpreetation.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
My understanding of the decision was that the Europeans (can't recall if it was court of human rights, or EU) made a lot of noise about fingerprinting Rom children being discriminatory: so the simplest solution was to decree that everybody should be fingerprinted, so it is all 'fair'.
If one takes the point of view that being fingerprinted is not a good thing, one could also suggest that a body superficially concerned with liberties has again been instrumental in their erosion. To be even more cynical, maybe the intention of the Italian government was always to fingerprint everyone,...
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Finger prints can replace pin numbers.
You can also use them to cut down on fake id. You stick your card in the slot. Thumb on the reader. It compares the finger print with the one on file. If your print doesn't match the one on file you aren't you.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=NickZ;93108]Finger prints can replace pin numbers.
You can also use them to cut down on fake id. You stick your card in the slot. Thumb on the reader. It compares the finger print with the one on file. If your print doesn't match the one on file you aren't you.[/quote]
I suppose thats alright if you haven't been working with bricks and rocks all day. If you have without gloves on, then there isn't very much to compare. Just looked at mine and they are virtually worn away!!!
Perhaps better to use toes!!!
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
The GCC countries in the Middle East are moving to e-gate for immigration control for residents and frequent travellers using the "latest" fingerprint technology. Mine has been redone 4 times now and it still doesn't work and the hardest labour I do is hitting a laptop keyboard.
So the chances of Berlo getting it to work in any meaningful way are pretty remote.
Its just another example of the Gordy law of kneejerk government combined with the law of unintended consequences.
Charlie
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote]I may be a touch cynical but I believe that this is purely to cover the fact that the government is presently fingerprinting all the Roma in the camps, even the children. In order to make this look less racist and discriminatory...we’ll fingerprint everyone![/quote]
You've hit the nail on the head. The amendment was added to the security package at the last minute expressly for this purpose.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
And, of course, someone will have to pay for the cost of these new cards. The money won't be coming out of Berlo's back pocket (even thought I expect that he could just about afford it).
It'll be the same as the trial of the electronic identity cards, where the customer pays €20 instead of €5-6 for the normal ones. Except that it'll be a lot, lot more. So we'll all be lining up in droves for the pleasure of paying good money to have ourselves fingerprinted - in order to possess a card that the technology probably won't cope with anyway!
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
There was a story about this in the Independent today. See link below:-
[url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/world-focus-italians-and-the-gypsies-ndash-an-old-prejudice-revived-870863.html]World Focus: Italians and the Gypsies – an old prejudice revived - Europe, World - The Independent[/url]
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=bosco;93147]And, of course, someone will have to pay for the cost of these new cards. The money won't be coming out of Berlo's back pocket (even thought I expect that he could just about afford it).
It'll be the same as the trial of the electronic identity cards, where the customer pays €20 instead of €5-6 for the normal ones. Except that it'll be a lot, lot more. So we'll all be lining up in droves for the pleasure of paying good money to have ourselves fingerprinted - in order to possess a card that the technology probably won't cope with anyway![/quote]
I don't think it is anything so elaborate - the cardboard ID cards have a space for a thumbprint. (I don't know if this is only since the ID card regulations changed last month, or if they always had this space, but they certainly do now).
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
If Italian Gov't IT projects are anything like British ones, I wouldn't hold your breath! it may well just fade away after a while late, over budget, under-funded etc etc - a total disaster. Hope the Italia gov't is better at looking after people's personal data than ours it too!
[quote=Nielo;93079][url=http://www.ansa.it/site/notizie/awnplus/english/news/2008-07-16_116249474.html]ANSA.it - News in English - Fingerprints for all amid Roma row[/url]
.....................but what will he do with this data once he has it?[/quote]
Apart from [probably] checking them against unsolved crimes - I can't see much else that he can do with them.
So no complaints from any law abiding citizens then? [apart from the 'erosion of my personal freedom' squad of course]