11894 Moderator Decisions and bias!

[B]Moderator Decisions and bias: Italy Magazine[/B]

At the risk of being condemned and banned forever to anonymity I must seek some answers from a particular Moderator or the Moderation team and if neither respond then ‘perhaps’ Administration may deign to do so.

I have chosen to post this on an open forum for reasons that will become clear.

The problem:
I have been a member of Italy Magazine since May 2006 and, to date, I have posted 1448 times. I consider my input to be generally of a good informative quality (something that I feel cannot, in any way, be said of another certain poster). I have [I]never[/I] been admonished for any infringement and have, right from the beginning, taken the ‘lets play fair’ stance with regard to my posts. On occasion I have approached Admin for clarification on certain site matters and asked questions about certain people’s behaviour. Bear in mind that in total, over my three years of membership, my PM’s on these matters have totalled [I]‘maybe’[/I] a DOZEN.

But the only ones I ever received a response to were those concerning one problem member (Ms.D). No one will EVER answer queries about either the maintenance OR the leadership or supervision of the membership. They (it seems) feel that they are above being questioned about their decisions. In fact I gave up asking some time ago. But now the situation has become utterly bewildering and smacks of favouritism and unfairness.

Bewildering, unfair? Yes because of the following actions by one Moderator – Marc.

We are not afforded the courtesy of whether his decisions are following discussion with his fellow Moderators, or whether they are made unilaterally. But the latter seems more likely as he actually moderated (deleted) a fellow Moderators post this week!

The rules of Italy Mag. State the following quite clearly:
[I]Please refrain from posting meaningless threads, one word (or short) non-sense posts, No flaming or trolling. [B]Flaming means posting something that's angry and mean-spirited[/B] - the online equivalent of flying off the handle. It's not a pretty sight, and we recommend constructive discussion as a far more satisfying pastime. Trolls say deliberately provocative things just to stir up trouble - it's not polite, so please don't do it. the Italy Magazine Forums is an incredibly friendly place, so please help to keep it that way. or the such.[/I]
[I]We want to make the forum better and commit to replying to any suggestions, disagreements and constructive criticism. All such issues should be communicated to the Administrator exclusively via private messaging, e-mails, or even over the phone[B]. [U]The Administrator will consult with the Moderating team and any decisions as well as the reasoning behind the decision will be made public.[/U][/B][/I]
[B][I][U]Once a decision has been taken it is final. We commit to making such decisions and the reasoning behind them public. You are, of course, free to send us a private message criticising the decision and we commit in making public your concerns and where appropriate our response. Once that is done, however, the matter is to be considered closed as forum life needs to move forward.

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Now these are good rules but they have NOT been followed over recent days by Marc.

I have had legitimate posts first deleted, reinstated and then moved to another forum without receiving ANY notification of any breach of rules from Marc. My posts that he dealt with in this way were NOT[I] angry and mean-spirited’. [/I]
One was trying to offer suggestions and advice on how Ms. D could avoid the segregated position in which she continuously found herself. Advice, the like of which, had been offered time and again by me and many others over a long period. I was careful NOT to be [I]angry and mean-spirited’, [/I] But I was clearly ‘reported’, action was takenand that post (with others supporting my stance) was deleted. I was TOLD by Ms.D [U]never[/U] to use the endearments or the users name ever again.
Another post from me followed the same route, but this too was deleted and then reinstated . Yet I had explained clearly in the post why I posted it – to celebrate the fact that the individual had finally shed her old name…
It was not only ‘my’ posts or threads that were summarily dealt with in this way either… Others had their really good, humorous threads deleted too – clearly at the express wish of Ms. D as she continued to disrupt them and didn’t like the ensuing anger from others….

So my questions are now posted here – I don’t have the ear of any Italy Mag staffers – [U]that[/U] is reserved it seems for one member in particular.

So – MY QUESTIONS to Marc.
1. [B]Why[/B] were certain of my (and others) posts deleted/moved/reinstated?
2. [B]Why[/B] was I not advised that it had taken place with my posts?
3. [B]Why[/B] were the reasons not posted in public?
4. [B]Why[/B] are the constant’ personal’ deletions, made by one member, both encouraged and compounded by accepting to delete entire threads at her request?

And finally.

Please - get rid of the Delete and Ignore buttons… Both are more trouble than they are worth!

[B]If you [U]can’t[/U] do that – then please - [U]LIMIT THEIR USE![/U][/B]

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Italy Magazine Forums - Announcements & Queries - No Longer Applicable

Carole. You are banging your head against a brick wall. All your questions have been asked before and gone unanswered.

It’s just how things are here.

The pity is that the actions of the moderators/ admin do nothing to calm the situation. They just create more resentment for unfair treatment and most of this resentment lands squarely on one perceived as teachers pet.

When I was at school a teachers pet was safe on the school grounds but ran the gauntlet on the way to the bus stop!

[quote=Nielo;113464]When I was at school a teachers pet was safe on the school grounds but ran the gauntlet on the way to the bus stop![/quote]
Agreed- the squabbling on the forums does seem right out of grade school.

Some hours have passed and it would have been reassuring to see some response to the original post, even if it was only to protect the image of Italy mag. but I guess everyones at lunch.

[quote=Aretina;113483]Some hours have passed and it would have been reassuring to see some response to the original post, even if it was only to protect the image of Italy mag. but I guess everyones at lunch.[/quote]

Well it must be a late lunch then!

This is exactly what I'm saying. If your face fits you're OK. Mine doesn't!

I rest my case...

OK now there must be a conspiracy on [U]THIS[/U] thread... There were some Grazies given to some people, I saw one from Noma and I added a couple too - the minute I keyed 'Grazie' the Icon changed , the Grazie that was there disappeared and mine didn't show.

I'm trying [U]very hard[/U] not to suggest that this might be 'intriguing'!

[quote=Carole B;113490]
This is exactly what I'm saying. If your face fits you're OK. Mine doesn't!

[/quote]

Try sending the admin, or Marc personally, an e-mail - sorry, a hundred e-mails, each with a different semi-alluring subject line! I think this will work.....:smile:

[quote=Nielo;113464]Carole. You are banging your head against a brick wall. All your questions have been asked before and gone unanswered.

It’s just how things are here.

The pity is that the actions of the moderators/ admin do nothing to calm the situation. They just create more resentment for unfair treatment and most of this resentment lands squarely on one perceived as teachers pet.

When I was at school a teachers pet was safe on the school grounds but ran the gauntlet on the way to the bus stop![/quote]

I know what you're saying Nielo - but really find I can't let this go. I know my forehead may be bloody from hitting the wall. After all the to-ing and fro-ing we all did last year with that olive branch, I really didn't feel anything but a profound sadness. But not anymore I'm afraid.

The emphasis on the matter of possible favouritism now seems to have shifted to bias on one side and bigotry on the other.

Carole, I am closing this thread before it becomes too long and veers too much off-topic until I hear back from Marc. After that has happened you should receive a private reply either from me or Marc.

Please give a couple of days for this to tale place - Marc volunteers his time here and we cannot expect him to be online all the time or be ready to reply at any moment.

Regarding the grazies I suspect its a case of faulty machinery rather than conspiracy - the forums are long overdue an upgrade of the machinery.

Regarding limiting the use of Ignore and/or other functionality - whenever we have tried to limit use the response has been that users should not be treated like children and essentially we should step out of the way and allow adults to be adults and sort out issues by themselves. In any case - we will seriously consider if limiting lots of the extra functionality (e.g. disallowing people to delete/edit posts, remove grazies, the capability to ignore, and all the rest) would make people think twice before posting and would keep a cleaner record of real behaviour.

Dear Carole,

I accept your concerns about decisions being taken unilaterally. Whilst we do have a Mods Forum in which to discuss issues, the fact that we don't 'convene' means that input to it can be sporadic and it is not the right place to deal with issues that need a rapid response.

My recent editing of posts and threads has been less about individuals and more about keeping the Forum as a whole on track. If you make a sane and well-reasoned post that sits inside a cluster of sarcastic and off-topic posts, then there is no way for me to preserve the sense of the thread by deleting the surrounding posts and leaving yours. Over the last week I have been conducting a sort of firefighting operation and the need to react quickly has meant that some of the tall trees have been felled along with the brushwood.

Please may I ask that to avoid this kind of problem in the future, members consider how relevant their posts are to the subject of the original thread, and how they look to a first-time or infrequent visitor. Its not just about bullying, or correcting (depending on your point of view) [b]one[/b] member; its about creating an environment in which others who are standing on the sidelines feel confident enough to participate without risking being ripped to shreds by a group of people whose length-of-service or frequency of posting makes them a sort of [i]cognoscenti[/i].