Hi All.We are trying to find a English speaking Geometra near Ceglie Messapica Puglia to sort out planning for a pool and 20% extentsion.I have already had a price from an Itanlian only speaking Geometra but I am sure that somethimg is being lost
Morning Ivika,I really feel for you.!!!!Having just returned from Italy and have had 3 more quotes, I now realize that the cost of Italian bureaucracy is going to cost me about 12k including IVA that is an honest cost and includes all costs to completion. It also includes all costs to the municipal. Be aware that the municipal costs vary considerably from region to region.Like you being in the construction business I tried to cut costs by doing as much of the preparation works myself i.e survey, plans etc. but it really didnt save much as my Geometra needed to verify all measurements and drawings himself... Which I can understand, plus he needed the drawings in his own format.The bad news is that I would now expect your cost to be somewhere along the lines of mine....I was shocked at the cost as in the uk the same sort of project would be about 2k.From what I can ascertain this situation is something relatively new in Italy, It all seemed to change about 4 yrs ago. Before it was relatively easy and a lot less costly to carry out any sort of building works.I do hope you find a honest Geometra where you are as they will need to be relatively local, as they have to manage and are totally responsible for the running of your project.... thats how the Italian system works...If I can help any further please let me know...RegardsJason.
Morning Modicasa...The pool is in a fairly rocky substate, so yes I under stand more work with the digger, but that should also cut down on the amount ot steel needed.The extension is a very basic bedroom. building costs should be small for that. 3 walls and roof.Thank you for your comments.Jason.
Morning modicasa...Lol...I feel i'm paying his and his wifes pension payments...The work is for a 10 x 4 meter swimming pool and a standrad 5 x 5 meter extension....As yet we have no quotes for the work but I would guess that the pool would be +/- 15k and the extension is only block work renended about 10 to 12k...... Does that sound about right.....And no taxes are included in his price or out of pocket costs....so all plus tax.What do you think.!!!!!!RegardsJason.
Wow thank you for that....In his costs he has included for1) Topographical surveys of the status of the places for the drafting of the project in expansion2) Compilation and presentation of "Permesso di Costruire e / o S.C.I.A." in the Municipality of Ceglie Messapica (Br) for the realization of Restoration and Conservation, Extension and Swimming Pool;3) Compilation and presentation of "Landscaping Compatibility Assessment" at the Municipality of Ceglie Messapica (Br) for the restoration and restoration, extension and pool construction.4) Practice for hydrogeological constraints (PAI, SIC, etc. present with the adoption of the general urban plan in the region of Puglia).5) Works Management;6) Safety Coordinator during the planning and in the execution phase;7) Engineer for static calculations, geologist for static calculations and final tester;8) Stacking of the entire building expanded at the Revenue Agency - Office of the Territory.9) Closing of works. Is it normal to agree a lower cost.... and would it be right to offer to pay in cash to safe on some taxes... I do appreciate your help ... Thank you Jason
Morning Modicasa,I'm not assuming any thing, which is why I have posted this. But 3 times the cost of the uk ????What does SCIA and DURC stand for ???Thanks for your reply.Jason.
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Morning Ivika,I really feel for you.!!!!Having just returned from Italy and have had 3 more quotes, I now realize that the cost of Italian bureaucracy is going to cost me about 12k including IVA that is an honest cost and includes all costs to completion. It also includes all costs to the municipal. Be aware that the municipal costs vary considerably from region to region.Like you being in the construction business I tried to cut costs by doing as much of the preparation works myself i.e survey, plans etc. but it really didnt save much as my Geometra needed to verify all measurements and drawings himself... Which I can understand, plus he needed the drawings in his own format.The bad news is that I would now expect your cost to be somewhere along the lines of mine....I was shocked at the cost as in the uk the same sort of project would be about 2k.From what I can ascertain this situation is something relatively new in Italy, It all seemed to change about 4 yrs ago. Before it was relatively easy and a lot less costly to carry out any sort of building works.I do hope you find a honest Geometra where you are as they will need to be relatively local, as they have to manage and are totally responsible for the running of your project.... thats how the Italian system works...If I can help any further please let me know...RegardsJason.
Morning Modicasa...The pool is in a fairly rocky substate, so yes I under stand more work with the digger, but that should also cut down on the amount ot steel needed.The extension is a very basic bedroom. building costs should be small for that. 3 walls and roof.Thank you for your comments.Jason.
Morning Wyndham,Thank you for that.If he's fairly local that would be most helpful.Regards Jason
Morning modicasa...Lol...I feel i'm paying his and his wifes pension payments...The work is for a 10 x 4 meter swimming pool and a standrad 5 x 5 meter extension....As yet we have no quotes for the work but I would guess that the pool would be +/- 15k and the extension is only block work renended about 10 to 12k...... Does that sound about right.....And no taxes are included in his price or out of pocket costs....so all plus tax.What do you think.!!!!!!RegardsJason.
Morning,So you feel that 6800e is a fair price.....RegardsJason.
Morning Billy,Thanks for that will call Maureen later today..Thank youJason.
Wow thank you for that....In his costs he has included for1) Topographical surveys of the status of the places for the drafting of the project in expansion2) Compilation and presentation of "Permesso di Costruire e / o S.C.I.A." in the Municipality of Ceglie Messapica (Br) for the realization of Restoration and Conservation, Extension and Swimming Pool;3) Compilation and presentation of "Landscaping Compatibility Assessment" at the Municipality of Ceglie Messapica (Br) for the restoration and restoration, extension and pool construction.4) Practice for hydrogeological constraints (PAI, SIC, etc. present with the adoption of the general urban plan in the region of Puglia).5) Works Management;6) Safety Coordinator during the planning and in the execution phase;7) Engineer for static calculations, geologist for static calculations and final tester;8) Stacking of the entire building expanded at the Revenue Agency - Office of the Territory.9) Closing of works. Is it normal to agree a lower cost.... and would it be right to offer to pay in cash to safe on some taxes... I do appreciate your help ... Thank you Jason
Hi Alan...Thanks for your pearls of wisdom.... have tried that already with no luck on the English bit...But thank you anyway...
Thank you for that .... think it will be easlier to find out what not to do.....!!!!!!!!
Morning Modicasa,I'm not assuming any thing, which is why I have posted this. But 3 times the cost of the uk ????What does SCIA and DURC stand for ???Thanks for your reply.Jason.