riscossione tributi ecc.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 03/24/2006 - 08:32In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
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Rubbish Tax is the most likely subject for this account. It is calculated by the Comune based on the square meterage of the house, and the distance to the nearest rubbish bin (in my area at least!)
In my Comune (amazingly) it is possible to claim a reduction if you are a "seasonal" user of the house. You should ask about this (I doubt it will be possible to make it retrospective), but it might make it cheaper next year.
I don't think it is ICI which is similar to the community charge (because it has been priced quarterly, and you don't usually get bills for ICI) though you should make sure you are paying ICI, and also IRPEF since it clearly isn't your "prima casa". The fines for being a bit late with rubbish tax payments are very mild, so don't panic!
servizio riscossione tributi
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Mon, 03/27/2006 - 12:35In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[QUOTE=Relaxed]Rubbish Tax is the most likely subject for this account. It is calculated by the Comune based on the square meterage of the house, and the distance to the nearest rubbish bin (in my area at least!)
In my Comune (amazingly) it is possible to claim a reduction if you are a "seasonal" user of the house. You should ask about this (I doubt it will be possible to make it retrospective), but it might make it cheaper next year.
I don't think it is ICI which is similar to the community charge (because it has been priced quarterly, and you don't usually get bills for ICI) though you should make sure you are paying ICI, and also IRPEF since it clearly isn't your "prima casa". The fines for being a bit late with rubbish tax payments are very mild, so don't panic![/QUOTE]
Whilst you are right that it is not usual to receive bills for ICI for example this is NOT a bill this,once it has been handed over to the servizio riscossione (which is the body/organization/bank encharged with the recuperation of debts so it is nol onger about whatever it was.In fact cannot even be changed unless the emitting authority releases a "foglio di sgravio" which exonerates from payment ,usuallythe time allowed before itstarts getting heavy is 60 days from receipt of notice )is not at all light and is considered at the same level as unpaid taxes(which is what it technically amounts to on the same sheet you can usually read how the penalty of unpayment of this or late payment can grow exponentially out of proportion to the original sum involved,and as i mentioned i knew someone who's car was taken away for a Euro 16,00 debt ...
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Sebastiano, I get bills entitled servizio ricossione tributi for my rubbish tax, and these are simply requests for payment, not threatening or overdue reminders. The Comunes around me farmed out rubbish tax collection to an outfit called SORIT (stands basically for servizio ric...etc) a few years ago.
The reason I suggested (pretty confidently) that it wasn't ICI is that ICI would not be measured on a quarterly basis.
If Phillipa looks carefully at the communication she has received, she will hopefully find words (perhaps on the back of the "bill" including smaltimento, rifiuti, immondizie, at which point she would be sure it was about rubbish!!
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Thank you both for your replies. The bill states --somma dovuta per tassa smaltimento rifiuti e tributo provinciale. I guess it is for rubbish then.
Can you tell me about ICI and why I should be [I]sure [/I]I'm paying it.
Thanks
Philippa
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
ICI is "imposto" (tax) "Comunale" (Council) "Immobili" (Buildings) - thus equates to "the rates" in England. (Now called commnity charge, I think)
ICI is calculated on a sum stated in your "atto" (conveyance), by a formula which varies every year. Basically this is exactly the same sort of calculation which the English Councils used to make for your Rates bill - the sum differed depending on your Parish - but the big difference here is that you do not get sent a bill for this amount, you have to know when to pay, and work out how much, for yourself. This is not impossible to do, but by far the simplest way round it is to attach yourself to a "commercialista" who will advise you when it needs paying, and will handle the payments on your behalf. I think you will find adverts for this sort of service in Italy Mag.
In addition to ICI, you will probably also have to pay IRPEF - which is a smallish sum payable on the "assumed rentable vale" of the house (unless it is a house where you are registered as resident, or has such a low rentable value that you are exempt). The payment of this requires that you (or better, your commercialista) fills in a tax return. If you hold the house jointly with a partner, you will probably be individually liable for these charges, which means two tax returns.
If you don't keep yourself in order with the payment of these "taxes" you can get into all sorts of bother when you want to sell the house - but if you have neglected to pay them for a year or so the commercialista will be able to correct the situation by paying the sums due plus a reasonably inexpensive fine. Get it sorted out as soon as possible if you find you have been in error!!
No doubt notaio or someone else will add to this - as I say, I delegate this stuff to a commercialista!!
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[QUOTE=Relaxed]Rubbish Tax is the most likely subject for this account. It is calculated by the Comune based on the square meterage of the house, and the distance to the nearest rubbish bin (in my area at least!)
In my Comune (amazingly) it is possible to claim a reduction if you are a "seasonal" user of the house. You should ask about this (I doubt it will be possible to make it retrospective), but it might make it cheaper next year.
I don't think it is ICI which is similar to the community charge (because it has been priced quarterly, and you don't usually get bills for ICI) though you should make sure you are paying ICI, and also IRPEF since it clearly isn't your "prima casa". The fines for being a bit late with rubbish tax payments are very mild, so don't panic![/QUOTE]
Even though our house is not habitable, and cannot stay there at all, as its a ruin, is it right we still have to pay the community charge, thank you:confused:
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
You should not have to pay the rubbish tax on an "unfurnished" house (or at least you don't in the comunes which I am familiar with), but the ICI and IRPEF you should enquire about at your local comune (or your geometra might know). I suspect it is one of those things which change every so often, and differ between comunes: certainly I have heard of exemptions from these charges when work covered by a certain type of permission is being carried out, (and the taxes don't cut in until a newly built house has a certificate of abitabilita) - so good luck if you can find an exemption clause :)
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
as Relaxed says, the 4 bills will be for rubbish tax and are sent out altogether though if you look carefully there will be different dates when they are due. We pay the whole lot in one go to make things easier. We didn't know about ICI for the first year and a half, a man came to call and explained how twice a year we need to go to an office in town where they make some calculations and we pay amount due (no bill is ever issued). We had a pay a small late payment fine but it was only a few euros
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I know someone in Naples who has not paid any of these taxes since 1982! He reckons by the time they catch up with him - the interest he will have made from keeping the money will have far exceeded the fine! :eek:
He says it is his way of having a pop at the commune for charging for an almost non existant service! I say he is just too lazy to go and pay it 'cus he is certainly not on skid row.
I've even offered to go downtown to pay it on his behalf, but he muttered something about lots of distractions existing along the way.. and for some unknown reason, simply wouldn't give me the cash! :D :D
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We had gathered from information on the forum that our ICI tax would be payable half yearly and so visited our commune to ask about this.
The Clerk there worked out what we should pay (75 Euros for the year) and issued us with a bill to take to the post office.
We have been told that we don't have to pay any refuse bill this year as the commune have waived it but it will fall due in December. We have found our local commune a mine of information and if they don't know something they usually know a man who does!!
Jackie
[QUOTE=Philippa Jay]I have just received a demand for payment of Servizio Riscossione Tributi. It is for the four quarters ending Oct.05 Dec 05 Feb 06 and Apr 06.
I am assuming it is some sort of Poll tax or Community Charge.
Can anyone enlighten me please. Also do we have to pay it all -- we only spend three to four months in Italy:
Thanks
Philippa[/QUOTE]
Because habitually rather than writing what it's about they couch the terms in codes which mean nothing to people.
This is most probably either ICI which is the tax based on your house (size etc) which goes to your local municipality
or
rubbish tax,again calculated on house (size etc) which also goes to the local comunities costs of rubbish disposal
Both of these have to be paid whether or not you live there on a full time basis or not and indeed in some places are even higher for non residents than people living there.
Yes,i'm afraid you'll have to pay and within the times on the papers you received as otherwise these costs will spiral out of all proportion...i know someone who didn't pay they came and took his car away for a Euro 16,00 unpaid government debt!but don't worry just pay it asap.