8728 Drug Problem

I have just read this on a another forum and thought I'd share it with you as it rings so true with me.:smile:

The other day, someone at the supermarket in town read that a Methamphetamine lab had been found in an old farmhouse in Essex and she asked me a rhetorical question. Why didn't we have a drug problem when you and I were growing up?'

I replied, I had a drug problem when I was young: I was drug to church on Sunday morning. I was drug to church for weddings and funerals. I was drug to family reunions and community socials no matter the weather. I was drug by my ears when I was disrespectful to adults. I was also drug to the cupboard under the stairs when I disobeyed my parents, told a lie, brought home a bad school report , did not speak with respect, spoke ill of the teacher or the vicar, or if I didn't put forth my best effort in everything that was asked of me. I was drug to the kitchen sink to have my mouth washed out with soap if I uttered a profanity. I was drug out to pull weeds in my mothers garden and flowerbeds. I was drug to the homes of family, friends and neighbors to help out some poor soul who had no one to mow the grass, repair the clothesline, or chop some firewood; and, if my mother had ever known that I took a single penny as a tip for this kindness, she would have grug me back to that cupboard.

Those drugs are still in my veins and they affect my behavior in everything I do, say, or think. They are stronger than cocaine, crack, or heroin; and, if today's children had this kind of drug problem, England would be a better place. God bless the parents who drugged us.

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My M.I.L Mary ( shes 86 you know ) said the same thing the other day, " we never had drugs in my day "
We then started quoting cases..........Sherlock Holmes, the 6 per cent solution, Fortnam and Masons, used to sell care packages to send to the troops in WW1, cocaine, morphine you name it, that RAF pilots used to take speed ..........." well we never had it in Devon".....god bless her cotton socks.........

[quote=sonofjoe;81941]Those drugs are still in my veins and they affect my behavior in everything I do, say, or think. They are stronger than cocaine, crack, or heroin; and, if today's children had this kind of drug problem, England would be a better place. God bless the parents who drugged us.[/quote]

I couldn't agree less. I consider religion to be the biggest source of evil in the world today. No doubt the Holy Inquisition would have made me see the error of my ways using the pleasant methods of coercion they favoured in years gone by.

[quote=lotaresco;82240]I couldn't agree less. I consider religion to be the biggest source of evil in the world today. No doubt the Holy Inquisition would have made me see the error of my ways using the pleasant methods of coercion they favoured in years gone by.[/quote]

It is too easy to blame religion for all the evils in the world, both today and yesterday. The different churches or religious groups are made of people who claim to be acting in the name of God, Allah, etc.

As for the Holy Inquisition, there is too much of a black legend and, although I do not condone their actions, the number of victims is much smaller to what it is generally believed.

These figures are from Wikipedia (Spanish language version) and I am translating:

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Some figures for the executions ordered by civil tribunals (estimates only) and by the Inquisition own tribunals (verified) and the proportion between those executed and the population:

Switzerland: 4000 people executed from a total of one million people (4 in 1000)
Poland-Lithuania: about 10,000, from a population of 3,400,000 (almost 3 in every 1000)
United Kingdom, thousands of people executed. It must be pointed out that in this country ruled by the protestants there were professional witch hunters who used to get paid for this job.
Germany, where most of the people were executed to a total of some 25,000 for a population of 16 million (1.5 people in every 1,000)
Denmark-Norway: 1,35 from 970,000 people (1.4 in 1,000)
Spain: only 59 "witches" (out of some 125,000 processes carried out by the Inquisition.
Italy:36
Portugal only 4
In general, most of the witch hunt took place in Northern Europe with more than 50,000 executions mostly ordered by civil tribunals. In the majority of the cases, most of those executed were women.

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There has been a lot of research into the actual figures of those killed by the Inquisition (not only the Spanish one as it was active everywhere, it actually started in France before the Reform).

So, taking all this into account your chances of being executed by the Holy Inquisition are pretty slim.... you stand a better chance of being blown out by a terrorist bomb.... But then, these are also handled by fanatics who want to impose by force their thoughts and their beliefs, not necessarily religious. Fanaticism and human evil are the culprits. Don't blame religion.

PAX VOBISCUM :winki:

[quote=deborahandricky;81950]My M.I.L Mary ( shes 86 you know ) said the same thing the other day, " we never had drugs in my day "
We then started quoting cases..........Sherlock Holmes, the 6 per cent solution, Fortnam and Masons, used to sell care packages to send to the troops in WW1, cocaine, morphine you name it, that RAF pilots used to take speed ..........." well we never had it in Devon".....god bless her cotton socks.........[/quote]

ROFWL

Apparently about 58% of the population believe Sherlock Holmes was a real person.............aaah bless!!

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080204/od_afp/britainpeoplehistoryoffbeat]Quarter of Brits think Churchill was myth: poll - Yahoo! News[/url]

Yes couldn't agree more.
I call the italians where I live "The Sunday Saints," as thats the day they go to church and their sins are forgiven leaving them free to start agian on Monday.
Go to any bar round where I live and you'll see the drugs being sold. Where's the Carabiniere? All out on the roads doing stop checks, mind you most at lunchtime go to the bars maybe for alittle more then their coffee!

[quote=Gala Placidia;82244]It is too easy to blame religion for all the evils in the world, both today and yesterday. The different churches or religious groups are made of people who claim to be acting in the name of God, Allah, etc.[/quote]

Not all, just many of the evils of the world. We also don't have to look to history.

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/pope/story/0,,1954759,00.html]After decades of opposition, Vatican view on condoms begins to shift | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited[/url]
[url=http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=6641]Church ‘will not budge one inch’ on issue of condom use, says Cardinal Lopez Trujillo[/url]

In a world where in may third world countries the rate of HIV is at 40% the continued preaching of the doctorine against condoms is inexcusable. In itself it's final result will make the inquisitions, the crusades and everything else which has gone before look like practice.:no:

[quote=il cacciatore;82252]Yes couldn't agree more.
I call the italians where I live "The Sunday Saints," as thats the day they go to church and their sins are forgiven leaving them free to start agian on Monday.
Go to any bar round where I live and you'll see the drugs being sold. Where's the Carabiniere? All out on the roads doing stop checks, mind you most at lunchtime go to the bars maybe for alittle more then their coffee![/quote]
Hey, you don't live near me do you? As i see exactly the same happen around here, both with the sinners and the Polizia spot checks (on lorry drivers only, NEVER a car! As well as being at the same spot, at the same times, so that those in the know take a different route)

Well, Widowtwanky, you just confirmed my point. Churches or religion institutions are made by human beings who cannot claim, even if they generally try to do so, that they are right in everything they do or say. Sometimes, as it has happened recently, they apologize for the errors of the past.... the problem is that it is always too little, too late.

[quote=tennaval;82373]You sound like you may have been "drug" to the Daily Mail a little too often...........[/quote]

Don't worry too much about his upbringing -

The "I was drugged...." prose goes back at least 3 years and comes from America, and we all know how sensible and well balanced they are.