is this accurate?
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Sun, 04/13/2008 - 20:46In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=iTALY BOUND;87556]I read this in the LA Times and was wondering if they are accurate about the situation in Italy. Thanks for any input. Hope you all are having a great weekend
[url=http://www.latimes.com/news/la-fg-italy13apr13,0,2058948.story]In Italy, crime pays and may get you elected - Los Angeles Times[/url][/quote]
I think your posted in the wrong thread if you're looking for feedback or debate on this (it'll get confused with the Kercher murder) ... but IMO the article itself was on the money (it could easily have been distilled from the content in various threads on here!). Leaves you wondering who the real comedians are in Italian Politics, Grillo or the elected officials (but sadly, it's beyond a laughing matter now)
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
pigros right... it would be an excellent post in the politics section of the forum ...there is nothing to stop you reposting it there or even asking a moderator to move it....
meantime can only say yes to most of what is written... i tend to admire grillo and yet from past experience of things here hardly trust that he does not have another agenda... basically a dying comedian that is now making money out of new found popularity... maybe not...who knows...
we have just had the leader of the lega ambiente and his brother under corruption investigation and if italian parliamentarians didnt have protection from prosecution the list of those that had been convicted would be much higher
berlusconi is a good man to have around in that sense... hes an easy target ... who everyone seems to have heard of.....which tends to make it simpler for people like cassini say of the UDC to have very close mafia connections that never get mentioned... he has some very strange canditates running for his party in the south in this election...
anyway i think the general approach of the article pretty well gets it right... the problem is not either from the right or the left...
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I've read loads of commentary pointing out everything that's wrong with Italy, and the overwhelming need for immediate, grass roots change ... but they all then go on to point out that such change is virtually impossible within the current electoral system and general political culture. If that is all the case, then ultimately, it will take serious popular unrest to precipitate change ... but the Italians still seem to be dogged by a belief that nothing they do will actually change anything, so it's not worth trying? Grillo was very much in the spotlight a year or so ago, but he & his campaign seem to have faded into the background at least in the (international) media coverage. What's the view of those of you living in italy, is Grillo an irelevance in the wider scheme of things or may his time yet come?
ps - sorry Adriatica ... my original post above assumed that this thread wasn't in the politics section ('cos it was about a UK TV programme) ... I later realised that it was, and Iedited my post slightly. By then you'd already replied, taking my word for it that the thread was in the wrong place. My mistake, not yours & sorry for the sneaky edit, not intentional I assure you!
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Nothing sneaky about it, the thread title/content hasn't changed to alert anyone of its move into this section.
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just back from a really depressing view of the exit polls which i find almost unbelievable...
the Italians have given veltroni more votes than ever although berlusconi will most probably scrape it with the lega nords vote... this was on the RAI and they are notoriously unsafe in their predictions.... so maybe there is some hope
hope...why do i say that...because Italy has just suffered the worst two years of its history in regards levels of taxation, production, unemployment and general feel good factors...from pensioners to youth it has all been disastrous with the only two people better off in Italy at the moment according to the stats prodi and bertinotti that managed to increase their personal wealth...wonder why by more than any others...
and yet... despite this the Italian voters still vote with their same ancient ideologies and preferences rather than use their brains... to me beyond comprehension...
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To the moderators and anyone else regarding my post, Please forgive me. I saw the made for TV ppost, and figured my article would have fit here. This is not to say that the original poster is to blame, i should have been paying better attention. My apologies to everyone. If one of the moderators wouldn't mind putting it in the correct spot for me, I would greatly appreciate it. Hope everyone is doing well.
I read this in the LA Times and was wondering if they are accurate about the situation in Italy. Thanks for any input. Hope you all are having a great weekend
[url=http://www.latimes.com/news/la-fg-italy13apr13,0,2058948.story]In Italy, crime pays and may get you elected - Los Angeles Times[/url]