In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Let's not forget-
-criminalizing undocumented immigrants
-sequestering apartments where undocumented immigrants live, with 3 years jailtime for the landlord
-starting to build new nuclear power plants despite the national referendum outlawing them
-violating the Schengen treaty by setting up passport controls for EU citizens at all border crossings
And that's only the past fortnight.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Is a rubbish dump coming to a place near you?
[url=http://www.ansa.it/site/notizie/awnplus/topnews/news/2008-05-24_124195461.html]ANSA.it - TopNews - Rifiuti: in Gazzetta i 10 siti[/url]
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=Nardini;90233]
Anything else? Well, I don't know about any other parts of Italy, but up here in Lombardy, we have been witness to a huge increase of military helicopter traffic. What are they doing, we asked ourselves? Well, it appears that they are creating up-to-date maps of all of the many small gypsy (Rom) camps that are dotted all over the countryside here. What happens next is going to be interesting - although not for the gypsies, I suspect.
The rubbish in Campania is still a problem, which Berlusconi seems not to have solved by holding his first cabinet meeting in Napoli. In fact, it was interesting to see that the rubbish problems in Napoli were not actually on the agenda for the meeting. However, we hear that the army will now be called in to clear the rubbish - again - and that the camorristi will use children to blockade the roads to prevent. [/quote]
Two points
1. How do you [B]know[/B] they are creating up-to-date maps of all of the many small gypsy (Rom) camps that are dotted all over the countryside?
2. The rubbish crisis in Naples was very much on the agenda.
[quote=NickZ;90234]
I thought the army was supposed to be guarding the new top secret dumps? How anybody thinks they can keep dumps secret is beyond me. I guess they'll use stealth garbage trucks.[/quote]
Why do you say these new dumps were "top secret"? The dumps have never been secret - the local population have been demonstrating against their use ever since it was made clear they will be used. These dumps are in highly populated areas and are totally unsuitable for this purpose.
They are nothing more than a quick fix and the Italian government should be stopped dead in it's tracks for even considering such a feeble short term measure instead of utilising the new technologies that are already fully available and operational in other areas of Italy. These technologies are quick, sustainable, safe and economically viable.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=juliancoll;90239]
Why do you say these new dumps were "top secret"? .[/quote]
Because they are secret? They aren't opening all the potential dumps. They have picked a few and are keeping them secret. It forces the protesters to watch them all or to guess.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=juliancoll;90239]Two points
1. How do you [B]know[/B] they are creating up-to-date maps of all of the many small gypsy (Rom) camps that are dotted all over the countryside?
2. The rubbish crisis in Naples was very much on the agenda.[/quote]
1. Il Commissario Straordinario per i rom is collating the information and was reported on RAI 3 (as well as several other sources).
2. Not on the circulated, typed agenda of the ministers themselves, it wasn't.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=NickZ;90251]Because they are secret? They aren't opening all the potential dumps. They have picked a few and are keeping them secret. It forces the protesters to watch them all or to guess.[/quote]
If people know which areas are to be used as dumps, how are they secret? They are going to use an area called Chiaiano - read about this area in the link below.
[B][url=http://www.napoliassise.it/specialechiaiano.htm]specialechiaiano[/url][/B]
Click on the underlined heading "Non idoneità ambientale delle cave a fossa di Chiaiano per la realizzazione di discariche.." to download a pdf file.
Any questions you may have - I'll try to answer.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=Nardini;90252]1. Il Commissario Straordinario per i rom is collating the information and was reported on RAI 3 (as well as several other sources). .[/quote]
Thanks
[quote=Nardini;90252]2. Not on the circulated, typed agenda of the ministers themselves, it wasn't.[/quote]
Come on Nardini, it was common knowledge this would be discussed. It may not have been on the [B]typed[/B] agenda, but it was on the agenda none the less - and it was discussed.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
The link in my post identifies the dump sites, so they are not secret anymore.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=juliancoll;90257]Come on Nardini, it was common knowledge this would be discussed. It may not have been on the [B]typed[/B] agenda, but it was on the agenda none the less - and it was discussed.[/quote]
That is always the problem. It is assumed that something will be debated because of "common knowledge". The fact that it wasn't on the agenda wasn't just an oversight, do you think? A pretty substantial "oversight" if that were the case. Of course, the way that Berlusconi runs his ministers has always been the subject of debate - particularly if you pay heed to any of his ministers in the past that have resigned. Of course, he may have changed now - as in a leopard becoming striped?
Still, the press said a lot - as have the camorra clans...
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Here's what he said
[ame=http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=io59zNB_rXo]YouTube - Napoli: conferenza stampa Berlusconi[/ame]
Here's what he really means :laughs:
[ame=http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=VZrXp7WdiZw]YouTube - Vita Nuova - Silvio Berlusconi nega l'evidenza a Napoli[/ame]
Here's the solution.
[B][url=http://www.la7.it/news/dettaglio_video.asp?id_video=8383&cat=cronaca]RICICLAGGIO RIFIUTI, L'ULTIMA NOVITÀ SI CHIAMA THOR - Video cronaca LA7.it[/url][/B]
Can anyone tell me why this THOR technology has been dismissed as viable in Naples?
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
The real Thor might ([URL="http://www.idrc.ca/en/ev-82687-201-1-DO_TOPIC.html"]just might[/URL]!) have a chance..
With the increase in pressure on the clans in and around Naples, Berlusconi is runing a bit of a risk now. Perhaps he was confusing his own PR with the reality that is the Camorra? Well, whatever his driving force, he is now facing some serious opposition to his plans to "[URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/europe/fury-over-berlusconis-bid-to-solve-rubbish-crisis-834319.html"]Quell the Clans[/URL]".
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
QUOTE.......up here in Lombardy, we have been witness to a huge increase of military helicopter traffic. What are they doing, we asked ourselves? Well, it appears that they are creating up-to-date maps of all of the many small gypsy (Rom) camps that are dotted all over the countryside here. What happens next is going to be interesting - although not for the gypsies, I suspect.
Well it's Monday and the diet has begun so skip lunch read the Forum....so depressed by the political news read here, that I want a big slice of cake!!! Donna Leon's latest book Girl of his Dreams describes the plight of gypsies and the workings of Italian politics regarding their fate.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=Nardini;90330]The real Thor might ([URL="http://www.idrc.ca/en/ev-82687-201-1-DO_TOPIC.html"]just might[/URL]!) have a chance..
With the increase in pressure on the clans in and around Naples, Berlusconi is runing a bit of a risk now. Perhaps he was confusing his own PR with the reality that is the Camorra? Well, whatever his driving force, he is now facing some serious opposition to his plans to "[URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/europe/fury-over-berlusconis-bid-to-solve-rubbish-crisis-834319.html"]Quell the Clans[/URL]".[/quote]
Perhaps unfair to compare SA with Naples regards THOR. SA has 78% mining waste and toxic imported waste to deal with, which causes hazardous emissions. THOR could easily be implemented in Naples to deal with general household waste. THOR can safely deal with approx 8 tonnes of waste per hour and it's very cheap in comparision to the methods currently used. Each THOR unit costs 2 million euro, so it's not expensive considering the cost of current (non) existent methods. It's estimated Naples would require a maximum of 50 units = 100 million euro.
Why will they not consider this system? It wouldn't be because it would put a lot of camorristi out of work, would it? :bigergrin:
[quote=Nardini;90233]
The [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messina_Bridge"]Messina Bridge[/URL] is back on the agenda again though, after paying millions of Euro to contractors for breaking the contracts that were issued to them during Berlusconi's last stint. Also despite the fact that the Messina Straits is well known as being a very active area, seismologically speaking. More millions to various builders in both Sicily and Calabria then, for many years to come - again.
Over to you now...[/quote]
Did they actually break the contracts? RAI had a piece on this last weekend. Di Pietro said they didn't break the contracts so saving the fee. They just left it in the drawer :bigergrin:
I thought the army was supposed to be guarding the new top secret dumps? How anybody thinks they can keep dumps secret is beyond me. I guess they'll use stealth garbage trucks.