In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Saw exactly the same thing on one of Ryanair's planes when returning to Stansted last Friday.
Lorraine
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
There's an uproar about Ryanair using the picture in their ad, but a shrug about Bossi flipping off the national anthem in the first place. :eerr:
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
For Ryan Air to use the verb fregarsene towards the general Italian public makes me wonder which lowlife translated their message into Italian, but I suppose it shows the general mindset of Ryan Air executives perfectly.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=juliancoll;93851]For Ryan Air to use the verb fregarsene towards the general Italian public makes me wonder which lowlife translated their message into Italian, but I suppose it shows the general mindset of Ryan Air executives perfectly.[/quote]
Well "[I][B]e chi se ne frega?[/B][/I]" ("and who gives a damn?") was a motto of the fascist movement after all.....
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=Carole B;93859]Well "[I][B]e chi se ne frega?[/B][/I]" ("and who gives a damn?") was a motto of the fascist movement after all.....[/quote]
I'm sure you know Benito was more interested in trains Carole and as far as I know, the PNF is the only party whose reformation is explicitly banned by the Constitution of Italy.
Who knows, perhaps Ryanair now has a similar foreign policy - and is seeking to become the "New Roman Empire"? :nah:
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote]I'm sure you know Benito was more interested in trains Carole
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If you get a chance, visit the [url=http://www.deathcamps.org/sabba/]Risiera di San Sabba[/url] in Trieste and you'll be surprised to learn the fascists had more sinister interests than trains.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Old news rarely surprises me Noma.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
My only reason for posting on the matter of the use of the word 'fregarsene' was to highlight the fact (it seemed to me) that the fascisits were from the same mould that Signor Bossi and his Northern League like to use. The one that says, in so many words, "I don't give a d*mn [I]what[/I] you think - [B][U]I[/U][/B] am right!". I suspect that Mr. Ryan uses that same mould too!
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Is this the latest salvo in the Ryanair-Italy skirmish?
[url=http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/07/28/business/EU-Italy-Ryanair-Ads.php]Italy's antitrust authority fines Ryanair €54,100 over advertisement - International Herald Tribune[/url]
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In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=juliancoll;93878]Old news rarely surprises me Noma.[/quote]
Yet you believe "I'm sure you know Benito was more interested in trains" :eerr:
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Good decision, but the fine, peanuts. Will they, Ryanair, listen now I wonder??? I doubt it.
Ryanair Refutes
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 07/29/2008 - 10:01In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Press Release posted yesterday on Ryanair's Website [url]http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news.php?yr=08&month=jul&story=gen-en-280708[/url]
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=Noma;93894]Yet you believe "I'm sure you know Benito was more interested in trains" :eerr:[/quote]
Noma, how unfortunate, you have done it again, but my comment was for Carole, who I am sure with her vast experience knows very well, (as do I and many others here) the myth about "trains running on time".
We also know intentionally quoting out of context in order to misconstrue is not the done thing here, It can create poor attitude towards those doing it. :winki:
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Yet again the patronizing, condescending, supercilious tone. It's now your trademark.
Yes, it is amusing to laugh about Benito making the trains run on time. But to give it context, that was your response to Carole mentioning fascists. In that context, it trivializes the horror the fascists wrought upon Italy and her people. Ho, ho they were more interested in trains, let's not mention the thousands of Jews, Roma, and other undesirables they collaborated in imprisoning and murdering.
You dismiss the fascist deathcamp Risiera di San Sabba as old news. Let's just sweep it under the rug and joke about Benito being more interested in trains, shouldn't we?:winki:
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=Noma;93949]Yet again the patronizing, condescending, supercilious tone. It's now your trademark.
Yes, it is amusing to laugh about Benito making the trains run on time. But to give it context, that was your response to Carole mentioning fascists. In that context, it trivializes the horror the fascists wrought upon Italy and her people. Ho, ho they were more interested in trains, let's not mention the thousands of Jews, Roma, and other undesirables they collaborated in imprisoning and murdering.
You dismiss the fascist deathcamp Risiera di San Sabba as old news. Let's just sweep it under the rug and joke about Benito being more interested in trains, shouldn't we?:winki:[/quote]
As the reply in question was made to a comment [B][U]I made[/U][/B] regarding the link about an air transport question - it [I]WAS[/I] in context, and was accepted as such.
No one has attempted to trivialise any of the valid points you make here regarding the role of Fascism or the fascist movement in the past becuase that was not under discussion. I'm sure we all abhor what they did, and I can say that because on a [I]personal[/I] level what they did affected several members of my husbands family. So I do speak with some knowledge of their policies and behaviour.
But the point here is that this thread was [U]NOT[/U] discussing the fascist regime 'in toto', but just a phrase they used which I felt fitted the stance of Sig. Bossi in the debate on the Ryanair advertisement. Nothing more and nothing less!
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=Noma;93949]Yet again the patronizing, condescending, supercilious tone. It's now your trademark.
Yes, it is amusing to laugh about Benito making the trains run on time. But to give it context, that was your response to Carole mentioning fascists. In that context, it trivializes the horror the fascists wrought upon Italy and her people. Ho, ho they were more interested in trains, let's not mention the thousands of Jews, Roma, and other undesirables they collaborated in imprisoning and murdering.
You dismiss the fascist deathcamp Risiera di San Sabba as old news. Let's just sweep it under the rug and joke about Benito being more interested in trains, shouldn't we?:winki:[/quote]
Noma, this is a forum and I do not wish to cause friction with an unworthy opponent, so I shall leave it to others to decide who has the patronizing, condescending, supercilious tone and may only be posting in the hope of causing confrontation - which is now your well noted trademark!
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Dio Mio let's lighten up here. Went to meet a train last week with our small Springer. She's 2 and has never been parted from my husband (her first love). We sat down to hear an announcement that the train was in ritardo...I then mentioned my husbands name, saying xxx's train is late Bella...to which she started to howl...astonished me and most of us waiting....this gave us all chance to talk about the appalling train service (in Italian)....much has changed in Italy since Benito ruled!
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=juliancoll;93966]Noma, this is a forum and I do not wish to cause friction with an unworthy opponent [/quote]
You seem unclear on the meaning of condescending- calling another member of the forum "unworthy" defines it pretty well.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Noma, if you really want to fight with Julian, please do it via PM so the rest of us don’t have to read it.
Thanks
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=Nielo;94150]Noma, if you really want to fight with Julian, please do it via PM so the rest of us don’t have to read it.
Thanks[/quote]
I so agree with you.
But I fear that the 'hidden agenda' doesn't include such things, it would defeat the main object?
Spats in public that is...
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=Carole B;94153]I so agree with you.
But I fear that the 'hidden agenda' doesn't include such things, it would defeat the main object?
Spats in public that is...[/quote]
I agree with you Carole - there is without a shadow of a doubt, a very poorly concealed 'hidden agenda' so clearly visible here. :bigergrin:
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Ah, I do so love this virtual place: the never-ending intrigue of trying to discover subtexts and spot hidden agendas, the constant curiousity about the real person behind the screen name and persona, the burning desire to know whether they've been known here before in another incarnation...
:rollingeyes:
Well, actually, now that I come to think about it, I believe it would be a far more positive use of my time to go and sit on the terrace, watch the sunset, listen to the birds and have a beer. :bigergrin:
Al
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
But you just can't resit it can you Allan!!!
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
All this mystery and intrigue leaves the vast majority (dare I say that?) out in the cold. Please explain what's going on for those (is it only me?) not in the know. I love a good 'whodunnit'.
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Ryanair continues to fight Alitalia and the methods used to protect the state airline.
[url=http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/1222946224.07]Ryanair complains to EU over 'unlawful' Alitalia bailout — EUbusiness.com - business, legal and economic news and information from the European Union[/url]
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Greedy "Btds"
Last year we travelled on an Ancona- Stansted flight. On the side of the plane, instead of the usual ' Ryanair' in equally huge letters was written " Arrivederci Alitalia" !!!! This latest row is nothing new.