10251 Rules on staying in Italy

If you are keeping and English address, your income is generated in the UK and your have your tax situation sorted out with the UK authorities, plus the fact that you will be using health and dental services there and coming backwards and forwards throughout the year I can't see any advantages in requesting Italian residency, unless you are very keen to vote at the next municipal election....

You may not wish to tell your UK doctor and dentist precisely what you are doing, as (at least in theory) you lose your entitlement to NHS treatment if you are out of the country more than three months a year and are under pensionable age.

You may also be interested in the fact that the Inland Revenue appears to conduct rather assiduous 'random checks' on people who declare their savings tax exempt, and they write you letters to which you are supposed to reply within 30 days. So having someone to open your mail at your UK address might be helpful.

Very broadly you cannot claim NHS rights in two countries, UK and Italy, but perhaps this was not your intention anyway.
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Thanks for the replies so far. Yes, somebody can open my mail, and my Dr etc will just know my new English address,so I can still visit them when needed.
However, I am still confused. Do I HAVE to leave Italy after 90 days? Also I had heard that if I spend more than 180 days in Italy per year, then I HAVE to apply for residency? Any thoughts on this?
Thanks again.

From your explanation it sounds as if, for tax purposes, you will be ordinarily resident in Italy. Depending on a variety of indicia you may also be considered as domiciled in Italy. Your investment income arises in the UK and the following links tell you how the UK/Italy double tax agreement treats the taxation of the income -

[url=http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/dtmanual/DT10210.htm]DT: Italy: double taxation agreement, SI 1990/2590, Article 11: Interest[/url]

[url=http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/intmanual/INTM354720.htm]DT Agreements: Italy - Income from a UK source paid to a resident of Italy[/url]

As always, your precise tax status is determined as a matter of fact (e.g. how many days did you actually spend in the UK or Italy).

I'm no expert in other areas which rely on residence status or in NHS entitlements, but I thought as a general rule that a citizen of the EC has the right to live in another member state (isn't it one of the fundamental freedoms of the EC??), subject to local rules on registration etc such as the Italian permesso di soggiorno (though I believe that has now fallen away). Again I would have thought that ,as a question of fact, you may be deemed to be a resident of Italy if your actual time spent in Italy meets or exceeds whatever the qualifying rules stipulate. Maybe another forum member can help.

Durobird,

If you're planning on buying a car you need residency.
Also make sure that when you arrive you at least get a CODICE FISCALE! No residency needed for that! You need it to sign anything: mobile phone contract, renting a house etc....

Sorry but you do not need residency to buy a car but you do need to have a permanent address here in Italy. Our experience is that those who have bought a property but are not resident, can in fact buy a car. This is Italy so of course everything is variable....there are past threads on purchasing a car on this forum.

I emailed ACI and this is their reply re: non resident and buying and insuring a car in Italy:
"Gentile Signora, [B]solo un residente in Italia può immatricolare un veicolo con targhe italiane.Un non residente può acquistare un veicolo ma poi dovrà esportarlo subito, in quanto gli vengono date delle targhe provvisorie di breve validità. [/B]Distinti saluti ACI Infoturismo "

Si...ma... as this is Italy you will get a different answer from a different ACI office. The one in Perugia helped a non resident friend who owns a holiday house here, to buy a car...there was a lot of going here there and everywhere and forms to complete but a new Panda was purchased a year ago. Our friend was also told by her MEP that the European Parliment has "ticked off Italy" for being obstructive re car purchase.
If someone wanting to buy a car in the Perugia area PM's me I will be pleased to send all the info I have.

Great! You have to be careful with this sort of thing though! If the police stop you they'll ask for your driving licence and car registration documents: you can't have two different addresses; for example one uk address on driving licence and Italian address on car libretto. They have been known to fine you for giving false addresses...

I assume you bought property in Italy, in that case did you promise to apply for residency so as to pay less stamp duty? - I assume this rule still applies. Getting your ID card etc is I believe much easier than it used to be - ah happy days hanging around police stations! Don't know yer born you young uns etc.etc.
Does the late payment of TARSU result in thumping great fines etc like ICI?

All this advice you all are giving durobird is helpful......but what if one is from the US and wants to work in Italy? I will finish my nursing degree and wanted to see if I could find a summer job???? How would I go about finding the info. and how long can I stay in Italy? I have no clue about the healthcare system...so someone please fill me in if they can. I of couse would need to keep my US address, but how would get the things that I need while I am there???
Thanking in advance,
shubendr

[quote=shubendr;98004] what if one is from the US and wants to work in Italy? I will finish my nursing degree and wanted to see if I could find a summer job?[/quote]

This link to the US Embassy in Rome site is a good start: [url=http://www.usembassy.it/acs/general-visiting.asp]Visiting / Living in Italy[/url].

If you're just coming for a summer, it will be a whole lot simpler to have a holiday and forget about the job altogether.

Thank you for the advice.
I would most likely come for a visit and then find out how I would go about working there for later???? I have 20 good years to work in the medical field...so I am not in a hurry. But, I am anxious to visit Italy. :)
[quote=bosco;98015]This link to the US Embassy in Rome site is a good start: [URL="http://www.usembassy.it/acs/general-visiting.asp"]Visiting / Living in Italy[/URL].

If you're just coming for a summer, it will be a whole lot simpler to have a holiday and forget about the job altogether.[/quote]

[quote=shubendr;98016]Thank you for the advice.
I would most likely come for a visit and then find out how I would go about working there for later???? I have 20 good years to work in the medical field...so I am not in a hurry. But, I am anxious to visit Italy. :)[/quote]

I know you recently posted a similar question under two headings to which I replied, bizarrely both seem to have disappeared!

[url]http://www.italymag.co.uk/forums/cercasi-lavoro-employment-questions/9324-mental-health-nursing-italy.html[/url]

Anyway, the above link to a recent post may help as it is true of all areas of nursing. Basically to work in the health service you must have fluent Italian and have received recognition of your qualifications from the Ministry of Health in Rome. This in itself is a very long drawn out process especially if you did not qualify in the EU. As a non-Italian it is not impossible to get a job in the state health service but it is extremely difficult. You may have more luck with the private sector but the basic requirments are the same. Unemployment is high even amongst Italian trained health professionals and the system is understandably biaised towards them with a definite job for life attitude so vacancies tend to be few and far between and when they do crop up they are flooded with applications.

So can anyone have a problem trying to buy a car as a non resident chose an area with less strict regulations and if so what are these regions; Perugia excepted?