In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Given the length of the post must be!!! First thoughts jump to Green Peace??? - [url=http://www.greenpeace.org/italy/]Greenpeace - Home[/url]
[url=http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=Environmental+Issues+Italy&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8]Environmental Issues Italy - Google Search[/url]
Perhaps you could set up a petition online Noble and when you do advertise it here and in your local paper. Also a local one.
[url=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=active&client=safari&rls=en-us&q=Setting+up+online+petitions&btnG=Search]Setting up online petitions - Google Search[/url]
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
It is undoubtedly true that Lago Trasimeno is in a pretty poor state: there simply is not enough water in it. The rainfall over the last few years has been minimal; the drainage channels which (when adequately maintained) feed the lake with a certain amount of rainwater running off the surrounding land are blocked; farmers (although they are not allowed to draw water from the lake in the summer period) can draw it in the winter, and they use it to fill their large irrigation lagoons which they built with EU grants. (This won't happen this year, since the extraction of water even in the winter has been banned.)
There could develop an issue about effluent from factory farms 'poisoning' the lake: however if this happens the discharges will be clearly illegal, and I believe that there is enough concern about the condition of the lake on the part of the local authorities to make it inevitable that transgressions will be prosecuted.
That said, I can make no further sense out of that colourful "press release" which forms the original post. Could you point me at the 'huge quarry' which has been stopped (and why should it have been)? Can you tell me where the 'pumping stations' are? Have you got any pics of SUVs using the cycle path? Where are these housing and commercial developments (and what is worrying about the 'subterranean' bits of building)? What on earth is wrong with constructing moorings for 400 boats at San Feliciano - that implies 400+ extra people interested in the health of the lake to me, and if boating on clearwater isn't sustainable tourism I'd be really fascinated to know what would be.
Since I circumnavigate the lake at least once a week I think I might have noticed this stuff in my back yard - all I can see is that there is no water in the lake and there are loads of moscherini. Oh sorry, it's surely politically incorrect to suggest that free flying insects are anything other than a boon that deserve preserving. Send the bint back to Paris.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I agree with Noble that something must be done to protect the lake and you may be interested in this link [url=http://www.globalnature.org]Willkommen beim Global Nature Fund[/url]. Trasimeno is one of the 29 worldwide lakes of international importance in the Living Lakes project and there is a conference here, this month. With this level of attention it may prompt some long-term action to resolve the problem.
I understand that there is already a pipeline from Tuscany which ends at Tuoro, needing only a few more kms to link it to the lake. However, water is becoming a valuable commodity so other areas are now reluctant to lose their water. Heads need banging together.
On the question of building around the lake, we have a large project near us in San Feliciano. Holiday apartments are being constructed high in the hills. The approval for this was granted in 1996 and still looks far from complete. Some things take a very long time in Italy, so what approvals have been granted since then which are still to be started?
My understanding of the situation of sewerage entering the lake is that the project to stop this was successfully completed in 2007.
Finally, I would welcome the building of additional marinas. The lake seems terribly under-used for recreational purposes and I see very little sailing. A strong sailing community could only help to add weight to maintaining water levels.
PS it’s raining today so maybe that will help!
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=Stephen & Janet;97320]I .................I understand that there is already a pipeline from Tuscany which ends at Tuoro, needing only a few more kms to link it to the lake. However, water is becoming a valuable commodity so other areas are now reluctant to lose their water. Heads need banging together...............[/quote]
I fully understand, and agree with, those who "are now reluctant to lose their water". Taking someone else's water does not solve the problem overall.
What is needed is an acceptance that water extraction should be less than water input, and that 'water pollution' must be managed properly
Or you allow it to go the way of some lakes elsewhere in the world - and see it literally 'dry up'
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
To answer but one of Charles's questions....quote "Could you point me at the 'huge quarry' which has been stopped (and why should it have been)?"
THE BATTLE WAS OVER AND WON in 2007. There had been permission for a quarry to excavate gravel, right above the lake. If you travel the road between Castel Rigone and Passignano, as you look across to the lake on your left, shortly after the Trecine turning, that was the area that would have been defaced. Stop and park your car near to where the road curves and there is armature and consider what has been saved. The campaign was fought by both Italian and foreign journalists, as well as locals, much to the surprise of the Sindaco and Comune representaives of Passignano sul Trasimeno. (I was at the meeting where his astonishment was expressed at the recent international interest and uproar caused by the previous administration, agreeing to the excavation of gravel in this panoramic area). Come over to this side of the lake and take a look at what is going on and be thankful that a woman based in Paris, (but a long time house owner here in Umbria) is prepared to lead the fight to save Lago Trasimeno and the surrounding area for future generations to enjoy.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=Stephen & Janet;97320]I agree with Noble that something must be done to protect the lake and you may be interested in this link [url=http://www.globalnature.org]Willkommen beim Global Nature Fund[/url]. Trasimeno is one of the 29 worldwide lakes of international importance in the Living Lakes project and there is a conference here, this month. With this level of attention it may prompt some long-term action to resolve the problem.
I understand that there is already a pipeline from Tuscany which ends at Tuoro, needing only a few more kms to link it to the lake. However, water is becoming a valuable commodity so other areas are now reluctant to lose their water. Heads need banging together.
On the question of building around the lake, we have a large project near us in San Feliciano. Holiday apartments are being constructed high in the hills. The approval for this was granted in 1996 and still looks far from complete. Some things take a very long time in Italy, so what approvals have been granted since then which are still to be started?
My understanding of the situation of sewerage entering the lake is that the project to stop this was successfully completed in 2007.
Finally, I would welcome the building of additional marinas. The lake seems terribly under-used for recreational purposes and I see very little sailing. A strong sailing community could only help to add weight to maintaining water levels.
PS it’s raining today so maybe that will help![/quote]
Lago Trasimeno lacks the depth of water needed by sailing boats, (it also lacks sufficient wind to make dinghy sailing exciting). A recent example of this was a friend who bought a boat and tried to sail it across from Passignano and moor it at Castiglione del Lago. He met a marshy mudbank long before he could moor his boat and was told just how bad things are for recreational sailors!
A world conference on Living Lakes is taking place at Castiglione from 22 Sept. It is a remarkable opportunity to take action and finally protect the lake to ensure the Trasimeno National Park truly comes into being. But where is this item of the conference agenda? Tragically, another missed opportunity unless we attempt to make an uproar!
construction above San Feliciano
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Tue, 09/23/2008 - 04:12In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
About the "Montalcino" project in San Feliciano: 4, maybe 5 buildings four stories high above San Feliciano, taking the place of an old olive grove. The approval for this was NOT granted in 1996. A lady from Italia Nostra, Claudia de Ciuceis, spent EIGHT years of her life fighting this project. A few years ago, SHE WON and this is why nothing has happened yet. But it is starting again and anyone wishing for these hills not to be defaced or hoping to protect te lake can contact Italia Nostra Perugia : 075 515 9586
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Wunder - I was refering to a different project, Sole Lago Resort. Thanks for highlighting the efforts on the Montalcino project. I will go and find it. I guess it is up one of the roads from the centre of the village.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I am a guest in Umbria and know very well that there is always more than meets the eye, where local issues are concerned. A Passignano hotelier was asked what pressure, are those dependent upon the Trasimeno tourist trade, bringing to bear upon the local authorities that turn a blind eye to illegal water abstraction, fail to maintain their expensive facilities and are too lazy to charge properly for their use. Reply...."What can I do? We'll have to wait and see what happens".
This summer many foreigners came to the camping sites at Lago Trasimeno saw the condition of the lake and left. A friend has just bought boat on Lake Trasimeno which is now mud bound in Castiglione del Lago's new 400 berth marina. There is plenty of water in the harbour (even now in September over 1.7m) but the entrance is blocked by a bar of mud about 2m across reducing the depth to about 30cm.
The Comune, which apart from initially dredging out the entire basin to 2m has recently invested in 5 brand new 60m Walcon pontoons. The sailing club next door to marina has been dredging the communal entrance channel and has offered to clear the entrance to the public marina, but the Comune is apparently unwilling to pay for the 2 or 3 hours work and so this brand new harbour is now virtually unusable by any craft without flat bottoms.
The Comune charges boat owners €180 per annum but amazingly offered my friend, the remainder of this year free of charge. "It's not worth us charging pro-rata for the 5 months remaining; we'll send you a bill in January for 2009"
Is this attitude to blame for the predicament the lake finds itself in?
If we're lucky we might soon have a large and very fertile valley producing vegetables and maybe even some wine, but more likely, judging by Magione it will be covered with haphazard development, of light industrial parks, retail outlets and cheap housing. At night a mass of orange street lights will replace the reflections of golden sunsets.
I do wonder whether there is anybody attending this 'living lakes' (dying lake?) symposium willing to bring pressure to bear upon the various authorities responsible for the lake's demise? If the locals are unprepared to fight for their environment, the ex-pats must at least attempt do the best they can to save Lago Trasimeno.
It looks as if the problem is huge and difficult to solve as I am certain that corruption and greed are behind all these sad facts. A terrible thing, as Lake Trasimeno is unique and could be easily destroyed. We like the area enormously not only because it is wonderful but also because part of my husband's family originates from Panicale, one of the most beautiful small towns in Italy. It is a very fragile environment that cannot take unplanned and excessive development or it could be ruined for ever. The problem is.... what can be done about stopping all this? Do you have any association that could lead effective action to protect the area?