In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Here is a link to a beautiful thread on roofs. If you look at the timing of the posts it was almost a 'chatroom' scenario!
[url]http://www.italymag.co.uk/forums/building-renovation/3288-anyone-used-quad-moving-revovation-equipment.html[/url]
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=mayolina;98674]it seems we need to do our roof :winki: (that's what one construction company said and gave us a quote of 35K). Is 35K a resonable price for a job that requires replacement of rafters? I'm somewhat sceptical because the very same company quoted us 8K for painting the interior of the very same house. Any comments and suggestions are very welcome.[/quote]
Hi
Of course it all depends on the size of the roof. ours covers an area of 120 sm, with 2 new A frames and 30x30 beams, plus over 5 inches of insulation ( wool type and fiber board ) NO concrete, it took the weight down from @ 38/33 kilos per sm to @ 11, and using a combination of old and new roof tiles, we brought ours in at @ 28k, that was 2 years ago.
As to the insulation , our then Geo told us that we were mad, "you will fry in the summer", but as we told her, its for the winter!
Hope that helps
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Hi Ricky,Deborah,Mary
We were recently discussing the issues of roof insulation and wondered about the effects of insullation in summer time.
Do you actually "fry" in the warmer months?
In our UK house we have quite good insullation and the house reatains its warmth well year round but not to the point where sleeping is unbarable because its too hot.
Nigel
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
frying occurs when the roof is not well insulated... insulation keeps cold and heat out, it cannot tell the difference, cement roofs providing the structure can take the weight without too much adjustment are cheaper than wood ones and much quicker to put in place... its much the same with all choices that you make on building work, modern building methods are usually quicker... however a cement roof can be easily disguised by either reusing the old tiles to finish it with or buying modern traditional tiles...
however many buildings or areas will not allow you to choose in any case... as has been said ...seismic measures... which are not really new...they have been in place a fair time now... and also not just as simple as that... the whole of Italy has been zoned for degrees of risk regarding this sort of activity and there are major fault lines that exist that would make a choice of how you build something in a technical sense very limited...
worse i would say in terms of cost of build are the zones which are at high risk of land movement... it can often mean that a house is virtually uninhabitable or impossible to restore... these zones are far more frequent....
having considered the differences quoted here in estimates of work over the years that is... i think maybe this zoning might explain something towards that as areas of low stability require much more work in the structural sense than houses built on rock say...
so your question becomes difficult to answer... without all the local geological surveys of your area... or any of the planning rules... all of which will be down to as local a level as your commune and can vary from plot to plot almost.....
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Hi
I think that Adriatica has covered the frying question, but I would say that wooden roofs dont take that long to put up, and in our, case we have ended up with a stunning pine finish on the inside.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
We had our roof insulated and noticed it is about 7 degrees warmer in winter and cooler in summer.
Reusing the tiles and after getting 4 quotes, insulation for our roof of 316 m2 plus 50 m of copper gutters was €26k.
For replacing the roof, as with any building work you should always get at least 3 quotes. We had 50% price differences, sometimes it depends on who does not have work at the time.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Can I make a suggestion that no-one has copper guttering?
We have just had our 2nd lot of copper guttering ripped from our house!Which fronts out onto a pretty well used lane.
Luckily our neighbour stepped in and we have some cheap stuff put up.We are going to get our builder to strip off the rest and then we are going to the metal dealers with it. We may as well get the money ourselves!!!
The very worse decision I took was to ignore my instinct and let the geometra talk me into getting copper!
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
so what do you have for 'cheap stuff' ?
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=myabruzzohome;98912]Can I make a suggestion that no-one has copper guttering?
We have just had our 2nd lot of copper guttering ripped from our house!Which fronts out onto a pretty well used lane.
Luckily our neighbour stepped in and we have some cheap stuff put up.We are going to get our builder to strip off the rest and then we are going to the metal dealers with it. We may as well get the money ourselves!!!
The very worse decision I took was to ignore my instinct and let the geometra talk me into getting copper![/quote]
Are you saying that your copper guttering was stolen? I was thinking of installing copper guttering but am a little put off by the cost and a slightly worried about it being nicked, because of its scrap value.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
[quote=AngelDiMana;98975]Are you saying that your copper guttering was stolen? I was thinking of installing copper guttering but am a little put off by the cost and a slightly worried about it being nicked, because of its scrap value.[/quote]
If you read through [URL="http://www.italymag.co.uk/forums/building-renovation/8581-copper-guttering.html"]these[/URL] [URL="http://www.italymag.co.uk/forums/building-renovation/7901-scrap-thieves-not-dealers.html"]threads[/URL], you find out more about Becky's experiences and those of others.
There are alternatives which look like weathered copper (plastic and aluminium) but are much cheaper and not attractive to thieves. However, some people have strong feelings about the negative aspects of these materials (which is not to say that copper is a "green" material or perfect). I believe there are also places where one is required by the local comune to use copper guttering.
It would, of course, the dreadfully cynical of me to wonder whether that rule is always based entirely on aesthetic considerations or if there might be social and financial connections between those who make the rules, those who sell copper guttering and those who steal it.
Personally, I'm not at all fussed by the fact that our farmhouse has galvanised steel guttering and downpipes. The system works, it's not going to get thieved and there are things much more interesting than guttering to look at around here so I don't find it visually intrusive or offensive.
Al
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Castorama do a plastic one sprayed copper colour but being plastic not very eco and shortlived.
I've not seen cast iron which is conservation choice in the UK but as allan says you can buy allumiinium or steel or even zinc which is pretty rubbish as it bends so easily!
I thnk our builder has used steel - not sure will see next week - the first lot were only the lower sections so we paid 60 euros for some Castorama pipes that we fitted onto the copper sections that the theives had left.We thought about painting it to resemble copper but I wonder? Do you think a sign to theives "this is not copper" - in Italian of course would work?
As for being cynical it amazed me that the last time we had guttering nicked they took an old carcass of a Fiat car, a rusting bed frame and my compost container whereas my Italian neigbours have their side of the property littered with rusting metal items- none taken!!!Mysteriously!!! And no they do not live there and only use it as a dumping ground.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Cheers Allan,
When the time comes for us to think more seriously about the installation, i think we'll try and steer clear of copper.
Suppose it will also depend on what the geometra reccomends and what the local planing rules are?
Nige
Well I had to have my roof completely replaced and it cost more than that.
Because of the new seismic regulations it had to be supported in iron/steel and built in brick instead of the usual timber. This I think made it more expensive.
Do you have the same regulations?
I feel my new roof will last for life and it would take an earthquake to bring it down now. :eeeek::bigergrin: