11716 Burglaries On Rise........

Thanks very much for that info IC. I only know a few people with holiday homes in this area, unfortunately off the beaten track, so more difficult to see what is going on, as one does not normally pass by on normal trips.
Will definately start to look out for unknown vans etc., in the future.

[quote=Geotherm;111466]Thanks very much for that info IC. I only know a few people with holiday homes in this area, unfortunately off the beaten track, so more difficult to see what is going on, as one does not normally pass by on normal trips.
Will definately start to look out for unknown vans etc., in the future.[/quote]

Now that's what I call public spirited. :yes: Wish there were more like you.

Off topic, forgive me but I am blissfully aware that the hunting season is over. But do sympathise with owners whose houses have been ransacked, perhaps it will inform buyers who wish to buy a second home off the beaten track?.
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Not all houses are all that remote either. I wrote last summer of two burglaries that took place in Monte Rinaldo. One homeowner was at work and they broke in but didn't find much to steal. The other was a woman who was preparing breakfast at 9 am when she saw a shadow on the wall. She woke up to find that she had been robbed. Some sophisticated thieves use a knockout spray to render the victim unconscious. We have had this happen to friends on the outskirts of Pisa as well, and I find this particularly troubling.

[quote=il cacciatore;111445] but very serious is the vast increase in rural burglaries in Le Marche especially around the Amandola, Comunanza and Sarnano area's. ..[/quote]

Thanks for the info IC but I am interested to know why you use the word vast. Is this ifno you got from the Carabineri ?

Hello patch2277,
In answer to your question "Yes" the information has come directly from the Carabineri. I know a few officers around this area who supply me with certain information.
Its not just around Amandola area, but there's also an increase around Sarnano. I think its better to be safe and all the advice I gave doesn't necessarily cost a lot of money.
I think anyone who has been burgled knows what a invasive crime it is.

Further information,
For those in the area it might be worth paying attention to roaming sheep farmers.
It is possible that some of their casual labour might be using their job of guarding the flocks to observe isolated farmhouses.
Regards.

Conspiracy theories abound, why not just add to peoples fears?. When Robert has been walking in the mountains above Amandola he has met some of these men guarding the sheep with their dogs, they have been working in Italy for years, and sending money home to their families, I dont think scare mongering is helpul or useful and you only add fuel to the fire of distrusting people of a different ethnic race.
Without facts and with veiled statements regarding your connection to the local poilce, as seen in other threads, I find your post unhelpful.
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Angie and Robert,
[SIZE="3"]Conspiracy theories abound, why not just add to peoples fears?.[/SIZE]
I find it always shame when people like yourselves make such comments.
Since my only intention was to inform others in the area of what is happening around them. To make them aware that this isn't "La bella Vita" and there are potential dangers such as burglaries to rural properties in this area.
I am not scare mongering these are facts and if you chose to ignore them then that's fine, but dont try and prejudice others agianst what is only a thread to give them the facts!
Also in the previous thread I made no comments about what ethnic race the sheep farmers casual labour was, so more to the point is why do you think I am being prejudice when you assumed that I was referring to another ethnic race?
Furthermore for those who know me on this forum will appreciate the information that I have given and will ignore your reply.

Hiding my head in the sand is not a trait I embrace, and I am not unaware of the fact that there are thefts from rural properties. But rather than blanket statements in the disguise of "facts" some statistics might be more helpful?, perhaps you could provide these for us and then an informed decision could be made regarding the threat to property.
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Il Cacciatore has referred to remote alarms which contact someone if the alarm goes off.
I was interested in installing such a system even before the notice above - I would like to improve security whatever the current risk is.

It would be useful if the system contacted my property manager or the security firm.
Does anyone know of any companies providing such a service near San Ginesio, MC?
To enable a timely response it would be best if the security company were located relatively close by.

In addition has anyone fitted a wireless system as this would be easiest to install?

Hello jonstir,
I have PM you.

[quote=jonstir;112523]Il Cacciatore has referred to remote alarms which contact someone if the alarm goes off.
I was interested in installing such a system even before the notice above - I would like to improve security whatever the current risk is.

It would be useful if the system contacted my property manager or the security firm.
Does anyone know of any companies providing such a service near San Ginesio, MC?
To enable a timely response it would be best if the security company were located relatively close by.

In addition has anyone fitted a wireless system as this would be easiest to install?[/quote]

Be very wary of the security companies. Maybe you do business with the same people that you vant to protect you against.

I think that it's probably a good idea to check with bar owners and shopkeepers, see who they use. They'll have regular contracts if they have anything at all. Also ask the Carabinieri for advice, they don't have a great deal to do here. Remember that this area is still extremely safe and untroubled.
Mind you, I've recently started locking my car due to stolen white Unos being the getaway vehicle of choice for bank robberies.

Last fall I dealt with the carabinieri from Ripatransone concerning a holiday home burglary in that area and they mentioned that around that time there had been over 120 break-ins reported in the southern Le Marche area. These were both occupied and unoccupied houses owned by Italians and foreigners. They do happen and it appears with a bit too much frequency.

According to recent information I read on a Spanish newspaper, there are highly specialised Eastern European bands operating in Spain and Italy. They are professionals and they take whatever they can get to their countries of origin where it is sold by associates. A word of warning. They are ruthless, so it is better not to oppose any resistance.

[quote=juliancoll;112602]120 break-ins in the Southern Marche Region? How many houses are there in Southern Marche overall - and how would the figures compare with other regions of similar size/population?[/quote]

And what sort of break-ins - presumably they range from sticking your hand through an open window to an all-out theft of everything including (according to cacciatore) the kitchen sink

Up here in the hills we are warned to be careful of the people of Comunanza - townspeople not to be trusted. We're talking about a town the size and feel of - can't think of a UK equivalent that will mean something to everyone - so let's just say it's a very small local town.

So - statistics, and perceptions - the usual warnings apply

[quote=annec;112605]And what sort of break-ins - presumably they range from sticking your hand through an open window to an all-out theft of everything including (according to cacciatore) the kitchen sink

Up here in the hills we are warned to be careful of the people of Comunanza - townspeople not to be trusted. We're talking about a town the size and feel of - can't think of a UK equivalent that will mean something to everyone - so let's just say it's a very small local town.

So - statistics, and perceptions - the usual warnings apply[/quote]

yes,it's very small population (2008) was only 3.216 inhabitants, it reached it's peak apparently in 1936 with 4.287 inhabitants but now is still less than in old 1901 when it had 3.460 inhabitants....obviously a real den of sinners!

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If you live in the sticks and you are italian you have a gun. The Brits get picked on cos they don't and they leave their houses empty.

[quote=juliancoll;112636]Therefore, 0.0321620% of this areas population have been broken into. Scandalous - it's a crimewave! :bigergrin:[/quote]

I'm no wiz with a calculator, but 120 crimes divided by 3216 inhabitants (2008) = 0.037313 crimes per head of population. It would be higher if crimes were considered per household. Not wanting to be pedantic - just waiting to be corrected:bigergrin:

This is my very first post - I have always been very happy just to observe the fascinating intercourse :eerr: however I feel compelled to make a small comment if I may be so bold ? .

I live alone here in Le Marche for the majority of the time and have never once felt insecure. My keen eyed neighbours keep such a diligent watch they could probably give you the lowdown on precisely what colour underpinnings I put out on the line last tuesday week!

I must admit though that this recent thread has caused me to fret a little. Window bars? Alarm system? I left England in part to avoid living in fear. I was much relieved when the true scale of the alleged 'vast increase' in burglaries was revealed.

Now of course thanks to Flux ... I want a great big gun! :nah:

[quote=juliancoll;112665]Ah, but I didn't use a calculator! :bigergrin:[/quote]

Call me a pedant, but Comunanza is just one small town in S Marche. So actually the break-in per household would be a much smaller percentage still if all households in the area were taken into account.

Wayhey - always knew there was safety in numbers...

PS - welcome Spiderpig - can you fly?

Call me foolish, but I feel safer here than anywhere else I have lived, and there have been some strange places along the line. This is not a "rose tinted" view, I understand after all the courses I have been on in a previous life that one trusts to instincts, and to feel safe is important. this is the first place that I have gone for walks on my own in the countryside (arrive back and neighbours know where you have been, uncanniy but they are obviously aware of comings and goings).
This applies to my village, and can appreciate that areas differ, but if you make good Italian friends, they seem to know where you are and what you are doing... and hopefully what everyone else..whom they dont know is doing as well.
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Two houses (both Italian owned and inhabited) have been broken into in our tiny hamlet, with the most recent being a year ago. In the second case, the burglars broke in through the steel security door in the middle of the day - and the house is in the middle of the hamlet. A friend's house (also Italian) was also burgled in a neighbouring village on a Sunday, when the family were out and about. In two of the three cases, the thieves made off with gold and jewellery, while in the third, they found nothing but just ferreted around.

If I were to make dangerous generalisations, I would say: Italians get burgled more; permanently inhabited houses are more of a target than holiday homes; and the security you have on your house makes absolutely no difference. Oh, and burglars prefer houses in the middle of a village rather than isolated houses.

The problem in Itlay is not protecting yourself against burglars, it's having enough space or appetite for all the little gifts that keep arriving from neighbours. :yes:

And how much cabbage can you eat in a week?.
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or eggs!!!

Regards my earlier post - I really am not a naive scaredy cat in fact generally (almost) a pragmatist. I do feel safe here, this is 'La Bella Vita' and I am fortunate enough to be living it.

Hear Hear Spidey! It's La dolce vita all the way.
I can speak from experience regarding crime. I have been a victim of crime here in rural Marche, was assaulted by a neighbour, made a complaint which went to court and I walked away with compensation. This was not an anti English or anti foreigner thing, was not perpetrated by a shepherd's assistant but by a wine fuelled Englishman.
This occurrence was in my early days and I can still say that this is the safest place that I've ever lived or worked.
:veryconfused: got nobody to give me a glut of cabbages or eggs or raspberries...

When Robert finally gets round to building my chicken house David, you can have some of our eggs!...now raspberries are another matter:winki:
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Give him a break he's only just done your internal shutters:winki:

[quote=il cacciatore;111445]
So my advice is if you have or are living in isolated properties here in the Le Marche area do some crime prevention. Firstly look to increase the security of your property by adding door and window locks, putting bars on your downstairs windows, buying security timer switches to switch your lights on and off at different times of day and night. if possible buy and installed a remote burglary alarm that contacts someone if the alarm goes off, pay someone to carry out regular checks on your property when you are not there and if you see something suspicious make a note especially if someone appears to be watching your house (always record the number plates of any suspicious vehicles).
..., keep your eye's open...........[/quote]

Being aware of potential problems can be the first step towards prevention and as il cacciatore points out there are some things that can be done to minimize potential burglaries. For anyone who has had their home burglarized it makes no difference what the statistics might say as to percentage of homes burglarized our by whom, they will still have a feeling that their privacy has been violated.