11849 Stufa

I do heating strategy consulting and highly recommend Clearview stoves to my clients.
..text below lifted from my docs so sounds a bit sales pitchy - sorry - I'm not on commission.
Nearly every make of stove in Europe was considered before settling on Clearview. Others were rejected because they were made in cast iron sections (prone to leaks and cracking) or because they were too quaintly fussy or because they were too modern in styling. The Clearview has advanced construction with computer cut steel panels, folded and seam welded into a robust frame. Air control is up with the best where preheated air is directed across the doors to keep them clean.
Annual cleaning is easy with all the components quickly pulled out. Unusually, even the back boiler can be replaced if necessary.

The 650 with small back boiler is a fine bit of kit when married to a heat store and will virtually knock out your gas bills ... well OK just one refill a year.

[quote=Dick;113021]Hi,

We are planning to purchase a wood burning stove in the UK (Jotul, Stovax or Franco Belge), ship it out ourselves a get it installed by our local builder.

However, whenever we mention getting the chimney lined we are met with total incomprehension. There seems to be no practice of fitting a chimney liner, even though the house is several hundred years old and we would be putting the stufa in a huge stone fireplace.

Any thoughts about either the choice of stove or the liner issue.

Dick[/quote]
On the contrary i don't know anyone who hasn't had their chimney lined usually a stainless steel tube is put up to the top and insulation is put in around the tube ,without which you could almost certainly guarantee a chimney fire sooner or later.the stufa is then connected directly to the steel tube.there are dozens of brands sizes etc persionally i'd just find a local dealer of one of these get him to advise you and if you feel comfortable with him get it done. ours,also placed in what was a huge fireplace now actually generates so much heat i can hrdly stay there,wife seems to like it though.the stove now a few years old cost then incl.vat around 1.400 euro complete they installed it for that but i paid a few hundred euro to builders to put in a sort of side wall for it and other bits and bobs

We shipped out a stove - an Esse Ironheart. But that was because it was a one-off special and couldn't find anything similar in Italy. It nearly killed us getting it out there (though maybe you're not as stupid as us in actually doing the moving yourself!) We bought our other stove ( a Jotul) from our local Italian dealer and i would advise you consider that rather than go to all the bother of shipping one out.

And I have to confess that we didn't line our chimney - so Sebastiano's warning duly noted. Do Italian pompieri look good in their uniforms?

To concur with Annec and Sagraiasolar, yes Clearview are fine stoves, and so are Jotul in their own way. What's attractive about Jotul for me, besides their availability in Italy, is the ridiculously good prices for the very long standing Little Giant and Bear respectively; well good prices in the UK ... going to check Jotul in Umbria this week. Of course these two models don't have, a huge view of the fire. Anyway, when I've got an Umbrian price I'll get back if you like.

There is another thread running on lining chimneys - [url]http://www.italymag.co.uk/forums/building-renovation/11785-insulated-chimneys.html[/url]

Jotul in (just about) Umbria are available in Citta di Castello. I'll try and remember the very nice guy who sells them - he does many sophisticated stoves.

The problem in Italy with stoves and stove pipes is that Italy does not seem to have cottoned on to the fact that the pipes (flues, chimney, whatever) should be installed 'man on top': in other words, the spigot should be above the socket - otherwise you get the tar streaming out of the flue. So, if you buy your stove in the UK you should also buy the flue pipe there. This might sound like extreme advice, but from somone who has spent many hours searching fruitlessly for the correct adaptor (or asking a handy lathe operator to fix one up) if you don't heed this you'll end up with the (possibly acceptable) Italian solution of man not on top!

Tanci is your man in CdC - highly recommend him:

Tanci Fratelli Snc
Via Mascagni 1
06012 Citta' Di Castello (PG)

Tel: 0758521694

Charles - I've always found "man on top" a rather conventional solution:bigergrin:

Well, I am an Architect, and I am just finishing a house in Monferrato, all my chimenys are lined!
If you wish to see pics send me your emaila ddress on a private message.

Also, if you look at the extraflame website [url=http://www.extraflame.it/support/]Extraflame SUPPORT - Home[/url] you will find a lot of detailed drawings that you can use to explain what you need

hope this helps

Paola

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There's usually a special offer on some of the Jotul line in October/November - at least in Liguria. Recommend the petite - smallest one with a glass window. It packs a fair heat and lights easily even with a "cold" external chimney. The Italy country website is [url]www.jotul.it[/url]. This looks like your regional agent

Zanelli Giovanni Umbria
339 34 20 970
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Charles makes an interesting point about males on top, but whilst this might give very slight concern about smoke leakage in the joints, I would have thought, if anything, that tar is more likely to stay within the chimney with this approach. The chimney I'm currently building has the stainless tubes jointed with heat resistant silicone, then the insulation, then light concrete casings and finally the bricks and mortar chimney breast ... so I don't envisage a problem. However, perhaps things change if you want an exposed, (double skinned) stove pipe. I would hope that the silicone sealant would prevent any tar from leaking out, also that the pipe was hot enough to discourage any build up of tar (see the other thread about chimney linings). As we're planning at least one exposed pipe, I'd be interested to hear more views on this. Imagine spending all that money on your designer stufa and beautiful pipe, and then tar dribbling down - sounds like something out of a Dickens novella!

Well, putting the pipes in the right way up, certainly stops the tar dribbling down the outside of the flue pipes. The tar forms on the inside of the tubes (obviously!) and if the spigot is below the socket the tar can escape (along with any other condensate, for example water). It is only really an issue with exposed tubes, although it is always important at the bottom of the chimney, (i.e. the top of the stove), because if the stove pipe sits on top of the spigot (or outside the spigot if it is 'on the back' ) then you get tar dribbling onto the stove. Sometimes you can remove the spigot (when it is on a plate) and get the tube to go inside the stove, which solves the problem.

I am not sure if the high-temperature silicone sealing of the pipes is always as effective as you might assume - it is extremely difficult to fit pipes together without inadvertently squeezing out a section of the silicone, leaving an escape route for the tar if the pipes are upside down.

Oops! I misread you and you're right; males on top seems more than common sense. In fact the reason why I misread you is because my Italian, stainless (Etna) tubes do indeed have the male on top! Of course they do; they're Italian! maybe they have cottoned on then!