21 Retrospective planning permission (& fines)

I am in the process of renovating a Trullo with annex Building that already exist, The property is not registered on the land as it is pre 1984 (think this is the right year)

I am not altering any of the Trullo but am repairing the roof & modernising the inside of the property. There is an unfinished extension which needs the roof & windows put in.

I have been told by many people to carry out the work & apply for retrospective permission after the fact when I register the property as existing?

Does anyone know how much the fines are for doing this? & if it is normal in the puglian countryside to do things this way if no major building work is taking place.

I am also aware that the Trullo are protected buildings by the national government,

I also need to know if I am allowed to use the existing cesspit or need to add a new biological one, problem being the ground is solid Rock!

Category
Building/Renovation

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 02/09/2005 - 06:14

At the moment there is an ongoing building amnesty (the previous one was in 1986) I would be extremely careful as to what I do and also given the fact that there are various restrictions on the area/building. This can lead to major complications if and when you decide to sell one day as these modifications tend to get show up creating major headaches. The retrospective planning permission costs very little but can take perhaps 10 years to be processed, depending on the Comune. (I had a recent case, where such permission has been pending since 1986!)

David
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Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 02/09/2005 - 06:30

apart from the dubious nature of advice of doing and then asking for permission there are also other considerations you might well be advised to think about......ie your qualifications to carry out any renovations on any building in italy..... and would they be legal..... if you can contact a local geometra and work with him ...first to get the building regularised and then to help with all the planning and building aspects .... there are strict rules about who and what you can do here ..... it is often better to try and work within these rules..... at worst all work you do may have to be undone.... the building declared unsafe and not allowed to be inhabited... try and find someone your italian neighbours use to do the work.... they are often helpful and with their local knowledge...especially with the fact they generally work closely with the local commune and know what can and cannot be done locally will often save you time and money

Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 02/09/2005 - 07:36

Sorry folks,

When I stated I was carrying out the work, I meant I was paying a local builder to carry out the work (he is a stone Mason & a trullo Specialist)

When you mention an amnesty at present what does this mean?

Do you recommend I start procedings to get planning permission before commencing work as i am told this can take ages. As mentioned, I am not carrying out any additional work externally other than painting, (Except for new windows & flat roof)

When I purchased the property I was told by the Notaio that this was normal that old uninhabited property was not registered if it had been in an italian family since before the 80's

Should i register it the properties existance after the modernisations have been carried out? We are not changing any of the structure that already exists only making it habitable?

This is like a mine field, but I am assuming that any work carried out by my Builder will be to italian regulations, electrics, plumbing etc....

But I was told retrospective fines are very small & quite normal in the Comune of Puglia, especially in the remote countryside.

But should I get the place registered with the land register as property rather than Land now if I do not plan to sell the place (previous comment noted about time taken?)