1887 Free Spirits - the 'Scam' thread.

Can I just say that Aleina and Clarke were free spirits in as much as they weren't afraid to 'go for it'. They wrote what they thought - politically correct or not.

And a lot of it was very funny.

Maybe there should be a catagory on the forum, 'Very outspoken and funny threads - view at your own peril' ;)

I bet that, like the 'Scam' thread', it would be one of the most viewed items on the forum.

Not seen neither hide nor hair of either of them tonight. You haven't banned them moderator have you?

There's got to be a place for the serious threads and quite frankly, something a bit more exciting, hasn't there ?

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agree entirely..... as the focal point of some of the remarks .... i find that the more interesting threads to me are those where people get a bit impassioned about the subject..... i have very little interest in webcams or ikea ....although many do and i am not trying to negate that side of things...but everything has a place....it was nice to see some italian being posted....

.... here in italy lively debate and even strong language are all part of life...and in a sense you find the ferocity of some of these arguements as a person from outside quite alarming until at the end of half an hour or so everyone seems to be smiling and happy and past is forgotten.... it might well be good practice for some planning the move here or already here to participate in the verbal matches that ensue ..... they will then be able to hold their side when an italian neighbour starts to treat them like a local .... and have a good old fashioned arguement... often about something of nothing

Did not ban anyone - don't think I can actually...

I agree that perhaps a general debates or heated debates section is required in the forum. If this was instituted it would also be good if it is a forum viewable to registered members only, so as not to scare away those that visit for the first time or those that do not know the parties involved.

this is all getting very silly.......

....anyway I can tell you where the missing Albanians are...they could not stand the toxic waste and came to work on my farm in England....they are very hard working...they get looked after...I look after their passports for them, and they work for a song....

...last week they got "Its a long way to Tipperary"...
...this week its "if your Irish"...next week who knows??

[QUOTE=Wishful Thinker]this is all getting very silly.......

...last week they got "Its a long way to Tipperary"...
...this week its "if your Irish"...next week who knows??[/QUOTE]

How about 'Chestnuts roasting on an open fire' :)

Alba Adriatica, a self styled "resort" in Teramo ABRUZZO is a contaction of the latin for "Albanian is he, the Adriatica".

[QUOTE=Sano]Did not ban anyone - don't think I can actually...

Think thats a brilliant idea, no fear of upsetting newbies and we can really get down to heavy debate.

.... of immigrants and such.... i am full of useless knowledge ...but due to local wine etc...brain cells often cannot record all details...however...in france.... i know almost a swear word here...but lots of southern italians happen to have gone their for work after the war...obviously it was easier than changing communes in italy... around metz...that sort of area... anyway coal mines...hundreds of italians working there...and one day big explosion and as most were italians under the ground a lot died.... well over a hundred ...i think aroun 160... most probably someone will put me right....

to the point...signs on french bars/restaurants etc...no dogs, no blacks and no italians.... hopefully life has moved on a bit since those days... i can remember the irish signs in london.... albanians in general and most eastern europeans seem to me to want to live a better life here than there... that there is a quite perceptible increase in crime here associated with as they put it slav accented people is unfortunate... however i find most italians becuase they have a memory of how maybe their relatives had to go off to foreign climes to earn enough to live on have a vast sympathy for those struggling in the same way... i have no problems at all with any race on this earth...or nationality.... or even region... others might put words into my mouth that i have never uttered... there is a notaio posting somewhere on here i regard as nothing but blatant nonsense...that someone that comes from that area cannot even acknowledge the facts that this year alone there has been the arrest of several leading members of the sacra corona unita... mainly female...as most of their husbands were locked up... that the reason toxic waste is dumped there is due to the fact that there is a link up between the calabrian/ apulian forces ... and that anyone that can say the albanian problem is finsihed when this year also one of the illegal immigrant camps has been in the news because the director ... a certain catholic priest had been abusing the in mates... suggests to me he might well be living on another planet.. just a couple of weeks ago there was a major number of arrests in areas including abruzzo.molise and puglia for drugs originating though the aformentioned mafia tribe.... that these pathetic people... whats the population of puglia...around 2 million... so 3 % are part of this ...

for those of you ... including notaio ... search on the sacra corona unita... and apulia... and you can find any amount of reports... from governments throughout the world...concerned over... drugs,arms,slavery and prostitution... their latest money making deals based upon the supply of babies to couples over here ... they are , were and will be a constant cancer in the heart of italy while people deny their presence... and utter ignorant and somewhat imbecilic paltitudes regarding their existence... to read this posting you all have internet connevctions ... i suggest you enter the search terms above and make your own mind up... i also as final point agrre with most of you that in daily life it will not affect you...i also agree you can live antwhere in italy without noticing... but you go anywhere in europe in any village town or city and see people trading in drugs outside your childrens,grandchilds school.... of people being robbed of almost nothing by someone looking to get their next fix.... and over seventy per cent of this will be based on drugs supplied via italies various types of mafia..... so i am not saying dont choose a place you like because of them... but i am saying at least recognise the problems.... and where they exist will be the epicentre of their trade

john...
don't ever start on campania... ok.

otherwise once wev'e filled up the waste tips round here,we may skip building
our own monte bianco on the pulgian flats, and just add some height to your
gran sasso... :)

[QUOTE=Aliena]John.. in vino veritas?

Why should we look for it just because we have internet connections when can get Clarke to provide it for us?

OK.. own up.. who murdered Clarke?

:) :)[/QUOTE]

The Clarke wasn't murdered, I suspect it read it's own posts and became VERY confused... ;)

[QUOTE=Aliena]John.. in vino veritas?

Why should we look for it just because we have internet connections when can get Clarke to provide it for us?

OK.. own up.. who murdered Clarke?

:) :)[/QUOTE]

chief of police..... :)

I bought a handsome Whippet from Campania a while back...

[QUOTE=Aliena]Hmm.. when did you move to my town eh? Naples ain't big enough for the 2 of us.. but seeing as you have my favourite italian male name.. I'll make room for you and move over a bit.. Anyway, do you like sfogliatelle?

:) :)[/QUOTE]

Sfogliatelle!!!!

First thing I will be looking for when I get there in January!!!

Second thing will be gelati.

:) :)[/QUOTE]

not from napoli but the otherside of benevento.
you can have napoli to yourself... as long as i am allowed the lemon cake...

OK.. Below is the entry on the FBI's web site regarding criminal elements within Puglia. We can now acknowledge that it exists. I guess John you were right. We should all sell our properties in Puglia and move to Abruzzo.

I don't think many of us will.

[url]www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/orgcrime/lcn/ioc.htm[/url]

Sacra Corona Unita or United Sacred Crown
Based in the Puglia region

Law enforcement became aware of the Sacra Corona Unita in the late 1980s. It also started as a prison gang and as its members were released, they settled in the Puglia region and continued to grow and form links with other Mafia groups. The Sacra Corona Unita is headquartered in Brindisi, located in the southeastern region of Puglia. The Sacra Corona Unita consists of about 50 Clans with approximately 2,000 members and specializes in smuggling cigarettes, drugs, arms, and people. The Sacra Corona Unita collects payoffs from other criminal groups for landing rights on the southeast coast of Italy. This territory is a natural gateway for smuggling to and from post-Communist countries like Croatia, Yugoslavia, and Albania. Very few Sacra Corona Unita members have been identified in the United States, however there are some links to individuals in Illinois, Florida and possibly New York. The Sacra Corona Unita is also involved in money laundering, extortion, and political corruption.

Who cares!!!

[QUOTE=Frank]OK.. Below is the entry on the FBI's web site regarding criminal elements within Puglia. We can now acknowledge that it exists. I guess John you were right. We should all sell our properties in Puglia and move to Abruzzo.

I don't think many of us will.

[url]www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/orgcrime/lcn/ioc.htm[/url]

Sacra Corona Unita or United Sacred Crown
Based in the Puglia region

Who cares!!![/QUOTE]

I thought the lot down there was called the 'Ndragheta'?

I don't think many of us will.

[url]www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/orgcrime/lcn/ioc.htm[/url]

Sacra Corona Unita or United Sacred Crown
Based in the Puglia region

Who cares!!![/QUOTE]

i am not thinking that people should sell up and move, but "who cares"?
thats a bit crass isn't it.
if its a fact of life then in the very least people should know about their neck
of the woods... or shouldn't they... hell, who cares..

Exactly. Who cares.

Are we to become paranoid because of these criminal elements.

Everyone thought the South Pacific was a safe place. Look at what's going on in Bali. Criminal gangs exit and will continue to exist. It's a fact of life. Puglia's gang problem is out in the open because of the Albanian connection.

But you must remember that these orginizations exists because there is a demand for it. Drug dealers exist because it is the only way to obtain the merchandise. Pimps are around because there are customers for the sex trade.
So it goes. Life goes on!!

C'est la vie!!!

...and the FBI said there were also weapons of mass destruction in Puglia... :eek:

On a serious note, my husband and I went through realms of paperwork in France, (where we use to live), to adopt a child, and after a gruelling 9 months and accusations of being child molesters, we were granted our certificate to adopt a child anywhere in the world.....when...

And I'm getting to the point...

when we arrived in Puglia, within a couple of months we were offered one, two, three, in any shapes, sizes, ages etc, children by someone who had Albanian connections.

How did we meet this person, well, he WAS part of the Puglia political circle.

We no longer have any dealings with this person. But should we be shocked, I don't know, should we?

To this day we don't have our adopted children. We weren't rich enough to make the necessary purchases around the world and we weren't about to trade money for children. Totally scandalous!

Now we have 6 dogs and I can't remember how many cats!

And we do love Puglia, before anyone asks. The one or two 'not so politically correct' people can not tarnish its image.

Macy

please let me make it clear once and for all i have no problems with puglia or its people in general...i have an abhorence for ignorance and "so what " comments.... i have no interest in comparing the region of abruzzo with any other region... i made a choice from my own personal experience and do not expect in this world any two people to make the same choices for the same reason ...over anything... i do regard it as important that people that plan on a life here understand things a bit better and make choices based on both good and bad.... i think there are enough posters who seem to be rapturously in love with the place that i and maybe some others can maybe add a slight balance to things....

i regard people that say abruzzo is wonderful and has no problems as as cretinous as anyone that makes that comment about anywhere in the world....

... i respect everyones right to choose and say what they feel... if there is no participation there is no liberty... and thankfully we are all free here....

[QUOTE=adriatica]....
there is a notaio posting somewhere on here i regard as nothing but blatant nonsense...that someone that comes from that area cannot even acknowledge the facts that this year alone there has been the arrest of several leading members of the sacra corona unita... mainly female...as most of their husbands were locked up... that the reason toxic waste is dumped there is due to the fact that there is a link up between the calabrian/ apulian forces ... and that anyone that can say the albanian problem is finsihed when this year also one of the illegal immigrant camps has been in the news because the director ... a certain catholic priest had been abusing the in mates... suggests to me he might well be living on another planet.. just a couple of weeks ago there was a major number of arrests in areas including abruzzo.molise and puglia for drugs originating though the aformentioned mafia tribe.... that these pathetic people... whats the population of puglia...around 2 million... so 3 % are part of this ...

John, somewhere you said you like threads where people where people get a bit impassioned about the subject and can exchange proudly their opinions.
I agree, so I'll answer in the same way you referred to my post (it's in another part of the forum, for those of those of you who care)
About mafia in Puglia (a.k.a Sacra Corona Unita)
I wrote:
[I]“There isn’t a mafia in Puglia, if with mafia we mean “the criminal control of the economic and social life of a specific area”.
There has been in the eighties something similar to sicilian mafia (in a very narrow gauge) in the southern part of Puglia, but it has been overcome by police and judges.
It doesn’t mean that there isn’t crime in Puglia.
Bari has all the pickpockets, robberies, drugs as any other city (less than Naples and more than Trento)” [/I]
May be my English isn’t too good or may be you didn’t pay attention at the first phrase,
[B]“There isn’t a mafia in Puglia, IF with mafia we mean “the criminal control of the economic and social life of a specific area”.[/B]
Mafia isn’t a common criminal gang, with mere criminal interests (drug, robberies etc.), but it is an organization (with a strong structure) that controls the economic, social and political life of a territory overwhelming its development.
This means that where mafia rules, it has influence (often predominat) on local elections, owns enterprises and companies and with them manipulates public activities, imposes extorsion on shops, kills judges, policemen, public officials and , in general, people who fight this situation: it is a cancer (I totally agree with you)
In Italy this happens in Sicily (Cosa Nostra), above all in the western part, but also in the Gela area, Calabria (‘ndrangheta) above all the Reggio Calabria – Locri – Palmi area and Campania (camorra), above all Naples.
In Puglia, something similar happened in the eighties, when local gangs, involved in the cigarettes smuggle, organized themselves in one single body called Sacra Corona Unita, in order to profit of the flush of drugs and weapons that was coming from the other side of the Adriatic sea, because of the social crisis that followed the jugoslavian war. This organization tried to impose its control on the economic and social life of southern Puglia (Brindisi and part of Lecce) and for some years it succeeded, but, luckily it wasn’t strong enough (or apulian society was stronger) and in the past decade the Sacra Corona Unita went into many defeats.
Today there are still [B]many[/B] gangs involved in drug or other organized crimes, which members are related to sacra corona, but there isn’t an unitary organization overwhelming the life in Puglia, as it happens in Sicily, Calabria or Campania.
If I affirm this, I’m not justifying crime or drug (I really do not understand how you might imagine it), nor I’m telling you that Puglia is a sort of Paradise, because the region has crime problems bigger than many other italian regions (as I wrote, “less than Naples, more than Trento”, but I didn’t think I should do a complete list).

About Albania and immigrants
Once again I suggest you to read carefully.
I wrote that it’s a fact that in the past years Puglia has been the front door of illegal migration from Albania, but now it’s over.
The illegal migration follows other routes, essentially from Libia and Tunisia to Sicily. I suggest you to read any other recent document about illegal migrationthe, i.e. the last “rapporto Caritas sull’immigrazione”, deeply informed or at least an abstract that you can find at this link: [url]http://www.rassegna.it/2005/affarisociali/articoli/caritas2.htm[/url]
There you’ll find some useful informations and, among them, this one:
“Per quanto riguarda i flussi irregolari, il Dossier Caritas/Migrantes, evidenzia come il mare abbia fatto da sfondo a molte tragedie. Ad essere interessate sono ormai quasi esclusivamente le coste siciliane e non più quelle calabresi e pugliesi”, shortly translated it means: “about irregular migration, today are interested quite only sicilian coasts and no more apulian or calabrian”.
Irregular migration still remains a social tragedy, people die trying to reach the wealthy Europe, so I’ve no will to make, here, any polemic with you on this matter, because it's too serious.
If you consider my opinions a “ blatant nonsense” you’re free to think so.

A lot of us here (who I suggest to a man are not racist, an impossible suggestion to a Christian) have made great fun of this debate. About all the add-ons - Albanians, prostitutes etc etc.- I tell you this is English humour - we make fun of those who are so self-obsessed that they don't themselves realise how absurd they have become.

I'm sure your region is lovely. Part of the reason that I have bought a house in Italy is to explore ALL Italy... there really is so much to see and do.

And I don't exect for a moment that any scary he/she albanian mafia types, with or without chesnut burners are going to stop me!

Well, now the "scam" thread is no more, I guess I can get back to finding out how many more kiddies Dev has sired..... how dull.

Thanks for the laughs all

Clarke had my eyes removed with a brazing iron... didn't you hear>

I'm not sure how this happened, but, my sister, who is well educated wealthy and quite refined assures me, Clarke's shoes are in Northamptonshire...

I heard he has had a sex change and has flown off to the old country, and is right now wearing a black dress and plying his trade in some Italia mafia ring somewhere in Albanianeque region.

[QUOTE=GeorgeS]I'm not sure how this happened, but, my sister, who is well educated wealthy and quite refined assures me, Clarke's shoes are in Northamptonshire...[/QUOTE]

somerset...

[QUOTE=giovanni]somerset...[/QUOTE]

dorset... :confused:

[QUOTE=GeorgeS]dorset... :confused:[/QUOTE]

clarkes main site is at street in somerset," known as the home of clarkes"
don't know why, but there it is. thought it more approprate you know,
somerset, village people ect.
yes now i am going to get called.. although they are friendly down there.

[QUOTE=giovanni]clarkes main site is at street in somerset," known as the home of clarkes"
don't know why, but there it is. thought it more approprate you know,
somerset, village people ect.
yes now i am going to get called.. although they are friendly down there.[/QUOTE]

Ahhh, I thought we were naming counties :) (actually Giovanni, the original post by me was meant to be a humorous reference to the disappearance of "Clarke") but, it is good to know where the shoe factory actually is, thanks.
:)

[QUOTE=GeorgeS]Ahhh, I thought we were naming counties :) (actually Giovanni, the original post by me was meant to be a humorous reference to the disappearance of "Clarke") but, it is good to know where the shoe factory actually is, thanks.
:)[/QUOTE]
i gathered that, and yes i am sure that northamptonshire made shoes for
clarkes, or did.
country yoccles! somerset, clarke, thought it had a ring about it.

please people of someset do not take offence, love the place..

[QUOTE=giovanni]i gathered that, and yes i am sure that northamptonshire made shoes for
clarkes, or did.
country yoccles! somerset, clarke, thought it had a ring about it.

please people of someset do not take offence, love the place..[/QUOTE]

Me too, lovely place and people.

It's not only Clarke who's disappeared ... the shoe factory has gone too :)

1887 Free Spirits - the 'Scam' thread.

but wot u all missed...

just a thought I'd like to share with you but

Bravo Notaio!!

The plot thickens

Strange coincidence!