2964 Why Don't We Write An Advice Sheet?

Are you thinking of a FAQ sort of thing?

Sano

What ever people agree on & are willing to help with. I'm just offering the idea. The information is on the forum, but takes ages to find & a simple easy form, set of fact sheets, questions & ansers, etc could be put together. Just think how it could help others & there must be a wide selection of skills held by people in this Forum in order to put it together.

This could also extend to gas, elec, certificates, etc if people wanted.

Over to you.

Lavender Field

I think it is a good idea. I do not have much to offer - other than info on citizenship claims for people of Italian descent, but would love to see such a resource developed here.

I think that there are a number of areas that could be documented. I'd suggest that a number of point keep coming up that would make sense to distil the knowldge here. I'd suggest:
[list]
[*]Buying a property
[*]Residency
[*]Owning a car(?)
[*]Mobile/internet
[/list]

It would also be done as a [i]wiki[/i] document....this would be a guide that anyone could edit & would act as a constantly evolving document.

The one thing that worries me is everyone has different advice - just look at the conflicting advice on whether to use a solicitor or not.

[QUOTE=tuscanhills]I think that there are a number of areas that could be documented. I'd suggest that a number of point keep coming up that would make sense to distil the knowldge here. I'd suggest:
[list]
[*]Buying a property
[*]Residency
[*]Owning a car(?)
[*]Mobile/internet
[/list]

It would also be done as a [i]wiki[/i] document....this would be a guide that anyone could edit & would act as a constantly evolving document.[/QUOTE]

Great suggestions, tuscanhills! :)

Perhaps have a separate property section for restoration tips? It seems that there's a lot of ground to cover for that area alone apart ... from all that legal buying stuff ...

S

[QUOTE=alan haynes]The one thing that worries me is everyone has different advice - just look at the conflicting advice on whether to use a solicitor or not.[/QUOTE]

Sure, but rule number one on all of this would be [i]caveat emptor[/i] & when in doubt, post in the forum

....on a similar line, I'd been working for some time (very on & off) on a links database that runs from the web.

It's not as dull as it sounds as it's basically a personal Yahoo and contains:
[list]
[*]Links to websites that I like, find useful or recommend
[*]The facility for [i]anyone[/i] to add new links to sites/services that they like
[*]The facility for others to post comments (recommendations or cautions) on the service of those sites/companies
[*]The facility to 'vote' for favourite links/services giving a 'self-selected' Yahoo
[/list]
It came out of an exercise to get 'local' businesses some exposure & also to help those folk looking for a place to start, rather than Pagine Gialle(!)

...its a great idea.. it really is.. but.. who will write it? Who will check it is legally correct? Who will collate it? Who will ensure it is accurately updated?

And more importantly.. who will take responsibility for it?

If it was a Wikipedia document.. it could be edited into dangerous nonsense.

Sorry.. Aliena didn't want to pee on the parade.. but.. I've given this a lot of thought in the previous few months.. and couldn't find a way to get it to work.. as each and every case is so different.

:) :)

PS Sano.. would you be willing to write something on citizenship claims for people of Italian descent?

[QUOTE=Aliena]...its a great idea.. it really is.. but.. who will write it? Who will check it is legally correct? Who will collate it? Who will ensure it is accurately updated? ....[/QUOTE]

I'd suggest that this site has a great number folk looking at it regularly.....yes, someone could take it 'off-piste' or abuse it, but the vast number of 'good citizens' that would look at it regularly I'm sure we could make it work.

Also, it'd only be a starting point & then lead people to the fourm.

Tusk..

OK.. don't worry about the 'off-piste' side of it just for now.. it could be locked so that even Aliena couldn't get into it! :D

Lets just take as an example.. the 'Legal' side.. Charles.. Notaio.. and gardahomes spring to mind.. and they often disagree amongst themselves!

See where I'm coming from?

:) :)

[CENTER][CENTER][COLOR=black]Nice idea and has been discussed in the past, problem is that each situation is very different and different points of view. It would take a lot to produce a conclusive advice sheet, me thinks. Which is why searching all the threads, although a pain, is the only way to get a balanced view and then make your own choice. [/COLOR][/CENTER]
[CENTER][COLOR=black]Ultimately, all I can suggest is, if you don't know what you are doing then you will need to pay one way or another for the extra advice. The advice should come from someone that can be trusted, who knows what they are talking about and who has been recommended multiple times by previous buyers, even then, it could still be tricksy. [/COLOR][/CENTER][/CENTER]

Aliena, I do.....there's a place for fact (wiki) and a place for opinion (forum) & as long a us guys keep a watch, we can maintain the balance.

[LEFT]
Aliena's right. I think for each subject selected for inclusion, you need someone in charge of it - an administrator - the person who's probably the most knowledgeable on the subject and the person who, without doubt, will probably put the document together using a mixture of their own expertise and previous posts.

I think opening them up for all, to add their own little bit, will add to disagreements and, possibly, a conflict of information; which is exactly what you want to avoid, particularly for the new visitor. They'll just turn into additional forum threads.

Tuscanhills - the answer, possibly, is to add a comments section for each subject [a bit like the blogs] where, after reading the FAQ, the reader can leave a comment or a suggestion for inclusion? The administrator can then decide whether to add this to the FAQ or not.

[/LEFT]

[QUOTE=derekL][LEFT]
Aliena's right. I think for each subject selected for inclusion, you need someone in charge of it - an administrator - the person who's probably the most knowledgeable on the subject and the person who, without doubt, will probably put the document together using a mixture of their own expertise and previous posts.

I think opening them up for all, to add their own little bit, will add to disagreements and, possibly, a conflict of information; which is exactly what you want to avoid, particularly for the new visitor. They'll just turn into additional forum threads.

Tuscanhills - the answer, possibly, is to add a comments section for each subject [a bit like the blogs] where, after reading the FAQ, the reader can leave a comment or a suggestion for inclusion? The administrator can then decide whether to add this to the FAQ or not.
[/LEFT][/QUOTE]
Ooh I'm blushing..

I understand what you mean Derek about having one person who's the most knowledgeable on each subject to act as author and administrator.. but will that one person be willing to accept the full responsibility if someone relies on that information and things go wrong?

Perhaps Sano has not even realised he has actually had the best idea!!

For example.. FAQ thread.

[LIST=1]
[*][B]How do I buy a house in Italy? [/B][LIST]
[*]See threads A B C[/LIST]
[*][B]What are middlemen? [/B][LIST]
[*]See threads D E F[/LIST]
[*][B]How do I prune my olive trees? [/B][LIST]
[*]See threads G H I[/LIST]
[*][B]Who the hell is Aliena? [/B][LIST]
[*]See threads A - Z[/LIST]
[/LIST]
:) :)

You silly fool - Aliena - you are our lovely - that keeps things in check - even if you do have a happy finger on the delete key - - we gotta wean you outta this - we wanna see your responses

We want our memories to last - is this an Albanian or Liverpudlian thing?

Ok, hands up who's gonna search through whole forum and categorise each FAQ? ;) Defo not taking on the last one! :rolleyes:

[LEFT][quote=Aliena]Ooh I'm blushing..

I understand what you mean Derek about having one person who's the most knowledgeable on each subject to act as author and administrator.. but will that one person be willing to accept the full responsibility if someone relies on that information and things go wrong?

Perhaps Sano has not even realised he has actually had the best idea!!

For example.. FAQ thread.[/LEFT]
[LIST=1]
[*][LEFT][B]Where can I buy a spaceship in Italy? [/B][/LEFT]
[LIST]
[*][LEFT]See threads A B C[/LEFT]
[/LIST][LEFT][/LEFT]
[*][LEFT][B]Where is Liverpool? [/B]
[/LEFT]
[LIST]
[*][LEFT]See threads D E F[/LEFT]
[/LIST][LEFT][/LEFT]
[*][LEFT][B]Napoli? [/B]
[/LEFT]
[LIST]
[*][LEFT]See threads G H I[/LEFT]
[/LIST][LEFT][/LEFT]
[*][LEFT][B]Who the hell is Aliena? [/B]
[/LEFT]
[LIST]
[*][LEFT]See threads A - Z[/LEFT]
[/LIST][LEFT][/LEFT]
[/LIST][LEFT]:) :)[/quote]

Ok, ok right again! Take the experise bit out then, have no particular administrator, and you're left with the thread content.
So the choice is link directly to the thread or lift the relevant bits out into one document as a summary?

I suppose the 'less work' option would be best?
[/LEFT]

Might be wrong about this but is this a similar idea to that offered by another forum member on her web site [url]www.expatsinitaly.com[/url]

Could find FAQ on everything but not actually on buying, have I missed it?

It could be a complicated FAQ - and could scare people - the land laws in Italy are compicated - sometimes - it is better to ask real time

You can read as many FAQ's as you want, but when you are in your own situation you want re-assurance

But maybe a FAQ can do this - I think pre-emption is the biggest issue with most folks - and a lot have come to realise that the UK Italian lawyers cant offer you much - tho they say they will deal with it - largely - the situation is you have to sit thru' the year!

Glen

I'm personally not keen on FAQ, too long winded. Just reminders of issues to look at, for instance, its not difficult to tell someone that the bombola needs to be a certain distance from the road & large trees. Then, where they can seek further information. such as The gas company & a Geometra etc Can also mention to request info from the forum.

It doesn't need to be complicated

Lavender

[CENTER][LEFT] [COLOR=black]Having just been through all this, there is more that can be done than just sit through the year to avoid pre-emption rights.[/COLOR][COLOR=black][/COLOR][/CENTER][/LEFT]
[CENTER][LEFT][COLOR=black]1, [/COLOR][COLOR=black] The neighbours have 30-60 days (it varies with area) to sign away any rights of pre-emption after receiving a formal request.[/COLOR][/CENTER][/LEFT]
[CENTER][LEFT][COLOR=black]2, If the neighbours refuse to sign, it can be written into the compromesso that the vendor takes full responsibility and any action would be their responsibility.[/COLOR][/CENTER][/LEFT]
[CENTER][LEFT][COLOR=black]3, Declaring the full price reduces this situation as few would wish to buy at the inflated prices. [/COLOR][/CENTER][/LEFT]
[CENTER][LEFT][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][/CENTER][/LEFT]
[CENTER][LEFT][COLOR=black]This has outlined in simple terms and legal advice should be sort and not a DIY version.[/COLOR][/CENTER][/LEFT]

OK.. Pensi su questa.. obviously it's new members that have little idea how the Forum "works" and it's daunting for some to stumble blindly around until getting the hang of it. Of course they ask questions that the old fogies amongst us have seen a squillion times.. and I challenge anyone to say they have not at least thought "oh Gawd.. not again" :D

What if.. as part of the "Welcome to the Forum, we hope you find it useful" message someone also posts a simple explanation of how the Forum works.. I'm NOT saying this would solve ANYTHING.. but it may help make people feel a bit more at home.. a bit like a welcome hamper.

For example..

[I]Hello New

Nice of you to join us/answer question if possible and then tag a standard paragraph into the post..

"There's a FAQ's section located in the green bar at the top of the page.. where you will also find our highly intelligent search facility.. just type into the box a word or subject.. hit the find key with a mallet and keep your fingers crossed.. we also have experts who can help you with subjects such as olive tree pruning.. piloting space ships and a basic course on how to get screwed by almost everyone.. at any time.. anywhere in Italy. If you don't find what you want.. scream loudly.. hang around for a while and see if you like us. Oh and by the way.. welcome to the Asylum"[/I]

Uh oh.. arguments are starting to brew.

I'm quitting while I'm still ahead.. and right! :D

:) :)

where would you start - which area, what price, what requirements - to be honest the reason this forum works well and has many who, like me, dip in daily for a newspaper style update in what is going on is because it covers the whole of Itlay on a daily basis - from Berlusconi down to George's puppies. If you have a particular interest - look it up on the search. You cannot have one definitive answer for a problem in one specific area - lets face it in Firenze they stop at zebra crossings, in Roma they drive round you, in Napoli (are there any??) you certainly wouldn't stop at one if you found one -you'd cause a pile up

[QUOTE=F Bower]where would you start - which area, what price, what requirements - to be honest the reason this forum works well and has many who, like me, dip in daily for a newspaper style update in what is going on is because it covers the whole of Itlay on a daily basis - from Berlusconi down to George's puppies. If you have a particular interest - look it up on the search. You cannot have one definitive answer for a problem in one specific area - lets face it in Firenze they stop at zebra crossings, in Roma they drive round you, in Napoli (are there any??) you certainly wouldn't stop at one if you found one -you'd cause a pile up[/QUOTE]

The reason it's needed is to catch the eye & to be accessed quickly. It would also save many from repeating the info.

Are you telling me that a certificato di abitabilita, regulations on bombolas, advice on the role of the notaio vary from region to region, I don't think so. It may not interest you, but the idea is there to help stop the exploitation of foreign buyers.

Don't necessarily have to go back thru the threads, it's in peoples' heads. Could start a fresh. If people need further info then they can ask on the forum about their unique situation. Others who wish, can go back to where they know a particular bit of info is located & copy it out, unless there is a way it can be done for us. I would have been more than happy to have paid for such info, it beats any books I have read on the subject.

Lavender

In other forum I use the answers to tedious repeated questions are put in sticky posts.

Such as in my motorcycle forums, "what oil should I use?" "What tyres are best for winter?" "How do I wire an Optimate?"

We just direct newbies to sticky x.

If they come up with an innovative question the forum springs into action.

The spaceship cr@p is left to the chatroom.

Dave

Now, what I don't get is why everyone is getting their knickers in a twist about the process of buying property in Italy, and all its pitfalls. We are, of course talking about non-Italians - stranieri - why should it be made somehow "easier" for them? Italy is Italy - its not an imperfect version of England, the US or anywhere else.

How would it go down in the UK, or US, or anywhere else, if tribes of foreigners turned up complaining about the local laws and procedures, and people operating them, and trying to lay down the law about how things should be done. They'd get pretty short shrift is my guess.

Saying that in effect the Italians have got to get their house in order because "the British are coming", would to me, were I a patriotic Italian, not exactly endear me to such people.

We are talking here about Italy - which is, to most of us - and sorry this applies even if your parents came from there - a foreign country. By all means buy there, live there, love it - but at the end of the day its someone else's country, and that needs to be respected. The way that they do things is to be respected. Like or not. Don't like it, then don't go.

Nobody would go about buying anything valuable, let alone a house, in their own country, without being pretty sure of what they were buying (and OK a lot of that is going to be because they know how things work in their own country) - getting proper advice where needed. You would expect to take the responsibility for your purchase, based on whatever professional advice you needed. Why think that there is some extra duty of care on the sellers and their agents in a foreign country by virtue of you being unsure of the local procedures?

One can see why the mindset gets about of foreigners being regarding as "chickens ready to be plucked".

WT,

You'd be surprised how many people make enquiries about UK regulations - back in the late 90s I was a member of a Scotland forum, mostly frequented by Americans but also Australians and Europeans, who wanted to move here... and they were desperate for advice!

Knowing from experience the type of scarce information you get from official places, this can be a helpful tool... but I guess we all know that you can't hold someone's hand throughout the process... but you could provide a 'helping hand' when needed.

YNot - I like your idea of 'stickies'... wonder if we could do something like that... or if it would take up too much webspace... :)

Cheers!

Yes, of course, that's my point. You seek advice. You research. You find out. That's not the same as bitching that the system doesn't work the way you think it should, or does back home. It's a different system that's all. Might not be a great system, but its just the way it is. :)

[LEFT]I see your point WT, but I don't think that the "we are foreigners therefore we should put up or shut up" approach is entirely right.

From the moment I choose to move to a particular place I think it is my responsibility to act as someone concerned about that place. As a result if I have an opinion on how rules should be regarding a particular aspect of the place I will say it. This should be done in a positive spirit and not in the spirit of "in the UK things are SOOO much better, your Italians are SOOO far back", etc. There is nothing more annoying than listening to someone saying "this would never happen where I come from", but I don't see what's wrong in saying "have you considered doing it this way?"

At the same time you cannot expect rules to change over night just becuase you now decided you want a house in Italy. You need to deal with the system as it is and then after you are done and are settled work towards improving it both for other "stranieri" but (more importantly) for everyone. Now, how many would do that?

If the people of the place don't want to listen to it because it is "their" place and I am foreigner that is their prerogative, the same way if I was a local they might refuse to listen to me because I am voting for the "wrong" political party or because I just moved in from the town 10km down the road.

However, I think a country, town village can and should accept new comers and take a look at the positive aspects and if possible adopt them. i.e. don't let the british bring their drinking culture and mayhem in city centres but do adopt more streamlined regulations for starting a business or buying a house or anything else.

A true Italian patriot should have nothing to worry about. After all you will never manage to cook a pasta right no matter what you do ;)
[/LEFT]

Aliena is wondering if she has the guts to tell Ronni that not only can she cook any type of pasta beautifully.. but that he is off topic! :D

My recommendation would be that she should ask him politely if he is going to edit his post to mention anything about a FAQ page or an advice sheet.. but she probably wont listen! :D

:) :)

[quote=Aliena]Aliena is wondering if she has the guts to tell Ronni that not only can she cook any type of pasta beautifully.. but that he is off topic! :D

My recommendation would be that she should ask him politely if he is going to edit his post to mention anything about a FAQ page or an advice sheet.. but she probably wont listen! :D

:) :)[/quote]

get over it aliena - you made the point once or twice that's enough.

The only problem being that if people read all the problems which occur (when someone just wants to live in Italy and be a respectable citizen), then no one would want to be here.
I can honestly say that if I had known the problems which we were to have, I would never have left the UK.
I was told to do a list of all the good and bad things about Italy, and the left hand column is growing by the minute.
By the way I am not a brit who cannot accept other cultures, I am an Italian who went to the UK in the 1960's and know now that I have said goodbye to the best country on earth England.
I left Italy all those years ago, and really thought things must have changed, nothing has, still the same old confusion, arrogance & greed. Workmen who demand a fortune for shoddy work, never turn up etc etc Put someone into a uniform or behind a desk and a monster is born.
As soon as I can sell up I am off .............. Pity I did not know about the forum before spending all my hard earned cash.

Sorry Sir.. I've beaten her and tied her up until she is over it Sir.. so how about a FAQ or somat then.. or is that another daft idea?

Must go.. there is a terrible noise coming from the cantina! :D

:) :)

Tinks, as you clearly have gone through your puchases without any problems could you tell us exactly how you did it. Right from the begining when the idea first popped into your head, including all FAQ's and then I in turn will tell you the otherside of the story. Leave the pasta for a mo and enlighten us. ;)

[QUOTE=Wishful Thinker]Now, what I don't get is why everyone is getting their knickers in a twist about the process of buying property in Italy, and all its pitfalls. We are, of course talking about non-Italians - stranieri - why should it be made somehow "easier" for them? Italy is Italy - its not an imperfect version of England, the US or anywhere else.

How would it go down in the UK, or US, or anywhere else, if tribes of foreigners turned up complaining about the local laws and procedures, and people operating them, and trying to lay down the law about how things should be done. They'd get pretty short shrift is my guess.

Saying that in effect the Italians have got to get their house in order because "the British are coming", would to me, were I a patriotic Italian, not exactly endear me to such people.

We are talking here about Italy - which is, to most of us - and sorry this applies even if your parents came from there - a foreign country. By all means buy there, live there, love it - but at the end of the day its someone else's country, and that needs to be respected. The way that they do things is to be respected. Like or not. Don't like it, then don't go.

Nobody would go about buying anything valuable, let alone a house, in their own country, without being pretty sure of what they were buying (and OK a lot of that is going to be because they know how things work in their own country) - getting proper advice where needed. You would expect to take the responsibility for your purchase, based on whatever professional advice you needed. Why think that there is some extra duty of care on the sellers and their agents in a foreign country by virtue of you being unsure of the local procedures?

One can see why the mindset gets about of foreigners being regarding as "chickens ready to be plucked".[/QUOTE]

Wow!! Right on the money. Well said.. Best post ever by Tink..

Frank

Aliena has a great idea. It would be very helpful if a list could be made up. obviously it could always say "check the search function for further information."
we need all the help possible and sometimes things are in odd areas. I was interested in solar or alternative energy and found a lot of the info in the general chat area not in renovation and building! I certainly wouldn't have thought it was there. that said I LOVE this site and appreciate it immensely so I don't want to sound as if I'm being critical. I have learnt so much and know I will continue to learn more. However a simpler way to find and understand things would be greatly appreciated and I salute and encourage anyone to do it.
sarah

Frank - thank you, your cheque is in the post ;)

Trulli, I accept your challenge - except no, it wasn't easy going, made mistakes (have already shared my experiences at the time) but whatever "mistakes" I made and for whatever reason, I accept them as my own ;)

Can't do it now, though, when I have some time ok? :)

Cheers me dear, look forward to it. :D

[quote=Frank]Wow!! Right on the money. Well said.. Best post ever by Tink..

Frank[/quote]

Frank, both you and Tinks are missing the point. It has nothing to do with not respecting Italy, its to do with not being lied to or ripped off. It doesn't make any difference which country this happens in, it's wrong!

As a non Italian who bought in Italy I accepted from the start that I needed help, professional help. Not because I was paranoid about getting ripped off, but because it was the sensible thing to do. Things are done differently in Italy, but "Hello", it's a different country!

Some seem to have the belief that because we are in the EU we should somehow conform to the same laws, ways and rights of recourse. The following brochure helped me understand the process better and gave me the confidence to take the plunge! I hope it helps ny new forum members.

Russ (I am not a lawyer by the way)

[url]http://www.lawoverseas.com/country/fd.php?filepath=../publications/brochures/italy_brochure.pdf[/url]

[FONT="Book Antiqua"][SIZE="3"]Back to Wistful's post....I often agree with what you say but I dont think that we are asking for Italy to change the rules to suit us.

What we want to know is [I]what the rules are[/I] before we start to play the game! Isnt that so/

Becky[/SIZE][/FONT]

Thanks Russ, very helpful link, bet someone will come along with some smart a*** comment about lawyers though. It's the only way if you don't know what you're doing, even if their fee is high, a few thousand more is better than loosing the lot. Having a lawyer made the difference between the middle woman/agent feeding us rubbish and he, the lawyer, getting to the truth.

manopello, you hit the nail on the head! :D

I'm sure they will, so I added a little ditty..... see Lawyers post ;)

[QUOTE=Frank]Wow!! Right on the money. Well said.. Best post ever by Tink..

Frank[/QUOTE]

Wishfull

You are very callous. Who said that the Italians have to change anything. It's the Brits & other foreign buyers who have to change. We need to go armed with the knowledge of the pitfalls & know how the system works in order to minimise the problems.

How lucky you are sitting comfortably at home, when I may lose everything I own & have worked for, because of the negligence of those in whom I put my trust. They are British not Italians. I suggest you listen with understanding & thought, before you make assumptions about others. The polite method is to ask!!

Despite having been cheated by both the British & the Italians, I love my home, area, Umbria & Italy & think of no where else as home. It's a wonderful country.

Lavender Field

Lav..

Tinks is not callous and everyone has read your story.. some more than others.. but surely you don't plan to continue forever using this forum as a one woman campaign.. 'cus if you do.. you may end up talking to yourself.

It's time for you to move on Lav.. channel all this anger and negative energy you have into postitive ways forward.. 'cus believe me.. the British are NOT coming.. even to your aid, so let the system work it's way even if it takes time.

You need to let go for now.. and get your own house in order as soon as possible.

:) :)

[FONT=Arial][FONT=Verdana]Yes, throwing toys out of the pram doesn’t do anyone any good! [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial][FONT=Verdana]Property purchase has to be approached methodically but the point is, to do this you have to see the wood for the trees which is why it’s helpful to have FAQ’s[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial][FONT=Verdana]Tinks ain't callous he’s a corn! :D ;) [/FONT][/FONT]

[QUOTE=Lavender Field]Wishfull

You are very callous. Who said that the Italians have to change anything. It's the Brits & other foreign buyers who have to change. We need to go armed with the knowledge of the pitfalls & know how the system works in order to minimise the problems.

How lucky you are sitting comfortably at home, when I may lose everything I own & have worked for, because of the negligence of those in whom I put my trust. They are British not Italians. I suggest you listen with understanding & thought, before you make assumptions about others. The polite method is to ask!!

Despite having been cheated by both the British & the Italians, I love my home, area, Umbria & Italy & think of no where else as home. It's a wonderful country.

Lavender Field[/QUOTE]

Lavender...is it Carol or Ann? I'm not quite sure ... I think that you've taken you're identity off your profile..

anyway...

walnuts........and welcome to Italia :)

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