3230 O bella ciao, bella ciao, bella ciao ciao ciao

Prodi vinto? Non penso, deve attendere :D

Whoever wins.. it's about time someone rolled their sleeves up!

:) :)

yea sleeves up and try to stay clear of mazzette e bustarelle .....:D

What makes me cringe is that so many "Italians" overseas can stull have a vote when many have probably never set foot inside Italy and cann't speak the language.
To me it makes a mockery of the whole system.
I think the UK system is much better----------if you have been out of the country for 5 years I think (correct me please if I'm wrong) then why should someone be given the right to vote?
If someone is no longer active or affected by the outcome it's a wasted vote leading to a false situation.
I now sit back--------fire away!!! x

[QUOTE=Dream Academy]What makes me cringe is that so many "Italians" overseas can stull have a vote when many have probably never set foot inside Italy and cann't speak the language.
To me it makes a mockery of the whole system.
I think the UK system is much better----------if you have been out of the country for 5 years I think (correct me please if I'm wrong) then why should someone be given the right to vote?
If someone is no longer active or affected by the outcome it's a wasted vote leading to a false situation.
I now sit back--------fire away!!! x[/QUOTE]

I actually agree with you. I am an Italian national but as I have never lived in Italy I feel I do not understand the issues well enough to make an informed decision in this election, and personal dislike of Berlusconi is not enough reason to vote against him.

I therefore chose not to vote even though I am entitled to. I feel that I do not have to live with the end result of this election, so it is not right for me to meddle (yet at any rate).

[QUOTE=Dream Academy]What makes me cringe is that so many "Italians" overseas can stull have a vote when many have probably never set foot inside Italy and cann't speak the language.
To me it makes a mockery of the whole system.
I think the UK system is much better----------if you have been out of the country for 5 years I think (correct me please if I'm wrong) then why should someone be given the right to vote?
If someone is no longer active or affected by the outcome it's a wasted vote leading to a false situation.
I now sit back--------fire away!!! x[/QUOTE]

the uk system is better!
now let me see, the welsh the scots and northern ileland have assembles!
this is on top of their right to vote in a general election!

the uk systems better!
thats where you only need 40% of the votes cast, to have a majourity!

i like sano am an italian national, but i have my release papers from 1982 for
national service.
my parents regestered me their when i was born, and they say blood is
thicker than water.

every time i go back my relatives tell me I AM ITALIAN. even though i claim to
be english.
the italians have a deferent pospective to the english, so yes i did vote,
because the people back in italy wanted me to vote.

this is one of the major cultural diferences between the uk and italy, and
its something i cannot explain, because its a mentality thing.

[QUOTE=giovanni]the uk system is better!
now let me see, the welsh the scots and northern ileland have assembles!
this is on top of their right to vote in a general election!

the uk systems better!
thats where you only need 40% of the votes cast, to have a majourity!

i like sano am an italian national, but i have my release papers from 1982 for
national service.
my parents regestered me their when i was born, and they say blood is
thicker than water.

every time i go back my relatives tell me I AM ITALIAN. even though i claim to
be english.
the italians have a deferent pospective to the english, so yes i did vote,
because the people back in italy wanted me to vote.

this is one of the major cultural diferences between the uk and italy, and
its something i cannot explain, because its a mentality thing.[/QUOTE]

You have a much closer attachment to Italy than myself, so can understand why you voted. I am three generations and one continent removed from Italy. Short of living there I doubt I will get actively involved in Italian politics on principle.

[QUOTE=Sano]You have a much closer attachment to Italy than myself, so can understand why you voted. I am three generations and one continent removed from Italy. Short of living there I doubt I will get actively involved in Italian politics on principle.[/QUOTE]

I know this is off thread a little, but three generations is a long way back to claim citizenship- the rules allow that?

[QUOTE=Wishful Thinker]I know this is off thread a little, but three generations is a long way back to claim citizenship- the rules allow that?[/QUOTE]

Yes, there are no generation limits when claiming Italian citizenship.

[QUOTE=Sano]You have a much closer attachment to Italy than myself, so can understand why you voted. I am three generations and one continent removed from Italy. Short of living there I doubt I will get actively involved in Italian politics on principle.[/QUOTE]

sano, it is your right to do whatever you like, within the law and sometimes
outside of it...:)
i am just answering dream academy, of the fact that italians do see things
different to the english perspective. why, i cannot be sure but alot stems
from the fact that italians HAD to emigrate, and alot of this has happened in
some peoples living history. so its like there is still a thread of contact.

hey i could be wrong.....

[QUOTE=giovanni]sano, it is your right to do whatever you like, within the law and sometimes
outside of it...:)
i am just answering dream academy, of the fact that italians do see things
different to the english perspective. why, i cannot be sure but alot stems
from the fact that italians HAD to emigrate, and alot of this has happened in
some peoples living history. so its like there is still a thread of contact.

hey i could be wrong.....[/QUOTE]

I think you are right. South Africans of the recent diaspora feel much the same.

[QUOTE=Sano]Yes, there are no generation limits when claiming Italian citizenship.[/QUOTE]

I think you can only go back to 1860 though.

Descent must be proven from the last ancestor recognized as an Italian citizen. Under normal circumstances, Italian residency of his/her descendants is not required for them to claim Italian citizenship. It should be noted that when a family has resided outside Italy for several generations, the last ancestor recognised as an Italian citizen may have been born more than a century ago. If born before 1860, he would have been a citizen of one of the nations (Kingdom of Sardinia, Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, etc.) to which the Kingdom of Italy and subsequently (since 1946) the Italian Republic are successor states.

[QUOTE=PAS 55]I think you can only go back to 1860 though.

Descent must be proven from the last ancestor recognized as an Italian citizen. Under normal circumstances, Italian residency of his/her descendants is not required for them to claim Italian citizenship. It should be noted that when a family has resided outside Italy for several generations, the last ancestor recognised as an Italian citizen may have been born more than a century ago. If born before 1860, he would have been a citizen of one of the nations (Kingdom of Sardinia, Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, etc.) to which the Kingdom of Italy and subsequently (since 1946) the Italian Republic are successor states.[/QUOTE]

My great-grandfather was born in 1869 so I guess we just scooted in under that deadline. Mind you, he died in the 1930's so had a good old run of it.

Sano I see where you are coming from but don't you think it's just a tad wrong to vote because others wanted you too. Don't tell me that they also asked you to vote for the same party as they were voting for too!!! I don't mean to be rude here but if that's the case then why bother voting as it just all seems such a mockery.
I know what you mean about the blood being thicker than water thing----hey I'm from Scotland so we all know how patriotic we sweaty socks can be!!!
I would never pretend to be eligible to vote there however as I've not lived in the country for over 15 years and so don't think it's right that my voice could influence and have an effect on others when I'm not even going to be there to pay the price.
To keep it all on a light hearted note Sano if you want to keep contact and threads going with Italy------buy a Fiat, eat pizza and pasta on a daily basis and you'll be doing your bit for King and country!!!!
I fill up with M&S and the odd bottle of scotch when I'm over in the UK so they won't take my right to use Mac away from me.
Hee hee x

its all about belonging, your roots, what you feel. I was born in England, parents are sicilian. I vote my sister who is older doesn't she hasn't got that same need to as I. But I am so hap:) py to have the best of both worlds.

The title of this thread has stuck this song in my head now. Annoying. :)

[QUOTE=Sano]Yes, there are no generation limits when claiming Italian citizenship.[/QUOTE]
....unless one was born the wrong year. I am first generation Italian/American living in the U.S. I was born three months too early to apply for Italian citizenship. My older sister was born in Italia and my two younger sisters were born within the required years. I'm the only one of my siblings who isn't privileged to Italian citizenship and, as I said, I'm first generation. That doesn't make sense, does it?