My friend has separated from his partner. They own a property together but not as husband and wife. One partner wishes to transfer the title to the other partner and settle out of court taking from the other half the value of the property in a p
We are just about to to decide whether to go with a swimming pool firm called Acquaform, who is very pricey, or to do it ourselves and really need some help with the way forward.
Rolling hills and breathtaking views are great but.......Frustratingly having just bought the 'chiavetta' and using TIM and Alice has caused me lots of problems with internet connectivity, even though I've spoken to the helpline in my slightly bet
Thank you very much for that useful information, They are not married to each other or to anyone else. But I thought as much about your reply but he is in the disbelieving and how can things get so complicated - mode at the moment !! The act of sale route: I was stunned to find out the other day that according to our local Geometra he is going to need to pay in the region of E5000 which will probably cover everything luckily divided by 2 as in a shared expense. So in this case I am going to suggest to him to get in touch with the notaio directly in order to get this sorted out. I can be use an an interpreter since my Italian is reasonably good. My friend quite rightly said that he didn't pay that in fees etc. when they bought the property as just about habitable, in 2007!!! I will certainly inform him to talk to a notaio regarding the Act of donation route, as an alternative too.
We find that our Elsynet service provider is efficient, since we live in a rural area up a hillside, and very easy to contact. There are two main receivers nearby which furnish us with our signal. For an intitial cost of E460 ish (depends on how easy it is to fit the antenna and how far the cabling has to go) and E20.00 a month for internet and whatever you use on your landline for calls on a pay as you go system (very cheaply at 0.015 to call per min to UK) there is nothing else to pay. We tried getting ITel to put some poles up for us but they wanted E1500 (our share only apparently) plus all the charges thereafter for internet and seperate phone!! We gave up after a year of trying to sort things out!! Anyhow we didn't find them at all easy to deal with so we decided to have the radio antenna fitted by Elsynet. So far so good!! It might be worth contacting your Comune for more information since they may also have some sort of system for everyone to use.
I enjoyed looking at your pool and the view you have is wonderful. We have a fantastic view too. Whereabouts in Piemonte are you and how much did your pool cost? (send us a private message)
Another pause for thought...Thanks fillide. I've spoken to the man who can and he says that the hollow polystirene block system, into which is poured concrete and has reinforcing, has the added benefit of insulating the pool. The additional wall is really just an extra security measure especially as the top 600mm is 'built up ground' in order for us to have the pool between two floor levels of the house. I have now probably decided to go for the skimmer option because apart form being cheaper; when playing the ball will be easier to contain; not having to reduce the water level in winter for ice issues; leaves and debris can be a nuisance; room for the balancing tank is also a bit tight as we have been told that it needs to be within 20m of the pump room (could have got over the latter though if I was determined.) I am still having my spa with ? jets. More to consider and put into the melting pot...only need to dig the hole and do a million other bits to get organised....the joys of the dolce vita!!
You are right Alan and after your comments I checked with my other hal,f who is the engineer and to avoid the effects of soft spots or movement we are planning to build another wall around the pool structure to hold back the spoil we are infilling to form our patio. Mind you the house we live in is full of cracks that need constant attention, however it has been standing for over 100 years so far!! We have tried to consider as many angles as possible but are still concerned that we may have missed stuff hence this discussion.
Hi and thanks for your comments and interest, which were very useful and I can confirm that we have had a geological survey. The idea of the whole thing slipping and giving way once done is terrifying!! We have bedrock about a metre down on the piece of our land we intend to put the pool on. This adjoins the house at first floor level with cantina etc. below that at ground level, in effect house 'stuck' to the hillside!! There are a lot like this on hillsides in Piemonte as you probably know. We have also been told already that the excavation costs, backfilling and landscaping are not included in the price and are ok about that, so we need all the spoil to go back in to level everything, (in fact we may not have enough!!). We have built a retaining wall 3m h x 30m l to retain the hillside. The pool pump room is within the limits given by the 'firm' and therefore fits their criteria. Having done much research there is no better experience than one that is first hand, so thanks again. Hopefully we haven't forgotten anything.. not even the dreaded IVA!!
Following discussions about pools etc. I wondered if there is any real benefit in having 40 jets as opposed to 20 jets when considering installing a jacuzzi (idromassagio). We need a low amperage and so a plug and play one is essential...anyone got any recent experience, had any good experiences with regard to models?
Wow, what a stressful state of affairs for you. I am not dismayed that your project was beset by so many problems having had five years of handling contractors here in Italy etc...happy for you that you now have it all sorted. Frankly we avoid as many of them as possible and do it ourselves. Thanks for your reply and I will consider your advice seriously now before making my final decision. I will use you as hindsight!!
Thanks for that comment and your experience of ensuring an efficient filter system seems like sensible advice and I shall make sure that is so. I'm told that other than the initial excavation everything is included in the quotation we have...it's all very technical and sometimes the terms are confusing but the Geometra was happy to explain stuff.
Thank you for your input and support. We have all the permissions that our Comune require..may we have overlooked any nationally? We have looked into using an isoblock polystirene system to build the walls which will in effect give us our pool walls and insulate it at the same time, and a liner system. One thing bothering us is that the advice we have been given is to ensure accuracy within 2mm and that the forming of the infinity bit is a very precise job and only experienced operators are able to do it...perhaps we have been taken in a bit by the project manager from the 'firm'. Anyway, do you know anything about how in 'money' the difference is between doing it yourself and getting someone else in? How much should our budget be for DIY considering that we have been quoted E33,000 for a 10x4m,1.3h infinity pool with a roman end?
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Thank you very much for that useful information, They are not married to each other or to anyone else. But I thought as much about your reply but he is in the disbelieving and how can things get so complicated - mode at the moment !! The act of sale route: I was stunned to find out the other day that according to our local Geometra he is going to need to pay in the region of E5000 which will probably cover everything luckily divided by 2 as in a shared expense. So in this case I am going to suggest to him to get in touch with the notaio directly in order to get this sorted out. I can be use an an interpreter since my Italian is reasonably good. My friend quite rightly said that he didn't pay that in fees etc. when they bought the property as just about habitable, in 2007!!! I will certainly inform him to talk to a notaio regarding the Act of donation route, as an alternative too.
We find that our Elsynet service provider is efficient, since we live in a rural area up a hillside, and very easy to contact. There are two main receivers nearby which furnish us with our signal. For an intitial cost of E460 ish (depends on how easy it is to fit the antenna and how far the cabling has to go) and E20.00 a month for internet and whatever you use on your landline for calls on a pay as you go system (very cheaply at 0.015 to call per min to UK) there is nothing else to pay. We tried getting ITel to put some poles up for us but they wanted E1500 (our share only apparently) plus all the charges thereafter for internet and seperate phone!! We gave up after a year of trying to sort things out!! Anyhow we didn't find them at all easy to deal with so we decided to have the radio antenna fitted by Elsynet. So far so good!! It might be worth contacting your Comune for more information since they may also have some sort of system for everyone to use.
I enjoyed looking at your pool and the view you have is wonderful. We have a fantastic view too. Whereabouts in Piemonte are you and how much did your pool cost? (send us a private message)
Another pause for thought...Thanks fillide. I've spoken to the man who can and he says that the hollow polystirene block system, into which is poured concrete and has reinforcing, has the added benefit of insulating the pool. The additional wall is really just an extra security measure especially as the top 600mm is 'built up ground' in order for us to have the pool between two floor levels of the house. I have now probably decided to go for the skimmer option because apart form being cheaper; when playing the ball will be easier to contain; not having to reduce the water level in winter for ice issues; leaves and debris can be a nuisance; room for the balancing tank is also a bit tight as we have been told that it needs to be within 20m of the pump room (could have got over the latter though if I was determined.) I am still having my spa with ? jets. More to consider and put into the melting pot...only need to dig the hole and do a million other bits to get organised....the joys of the dolce vita!!
You are right Alan and after your comments I checked with my other hal,f who is the engineer and to avoid the effects of soft spots or movement we are planning to build another wall around the pool structure to hold back the spoil we are infilling to form our patio. Mind you the house we live in is full of cracks that need constant attention, however it has been standing for over 100 years so far!! We have tried to consider as many angles as possible but are still concerned that we may have missed stuff hence this discussion.
Hi and thanks for your comments and interest, which were very useful and I can confirm that we have had a geological survey. The idea of the whole thing slipping and giving way once done is terrifying!! We have bedrock about a metre down on the piece of our land we intend to put the pool on. This adjoins the house at first floor level with cantina etc. below that at ground level, in effect house 'stuck' to the hillside!! There are a lot like this on hillsides in Piemonte as you probably know. We have also been told already that the excavation costs, backfilling and landscaping are not included in the price and are ok about that, so we need all the spoil to go back in to level everything, (in fact we may not have enough!!). We have built a retaining wall 3m h x 30m l to retain the hillside. The pool pump room is within the limits given by the 'firm' and therefore fits their criteria. Having done much research there is no better experience than one that is first hand, so thanks again. Hopefully we haven't forgotten anything.. not even the dreaded IVA!!
Following discussions about pools etc. I wondered if there is any real benefit in having 40 jets as opposed to 20 jets when considering installing a jacuzzi (idromassagio). We need a low amperage and so a plug and play one is essential...anyone got any recent experience, had any good experiences with regard to models?
Wow, what a stressful state of affairs for you. I am not dismayed that your project was beset by so many problems having had five years of handling contractors here in Italy etc...happy for you that you now have it all sorted. Frankly we avoid as many of them as possible and do it ourselves. Thanks for your reply and I will consider your advice seriously now before making my final decision. I will use you as hindsight!!
Thanks for that comment and your experience of ensuring an efficient filter system seems like sensible advice and I shall make sure that is so. I'm told that other than the initial excavation everything is included in the quotation we have...it's all very technical and sometimes the terms are confusing but the Geometra was happy to explain stuff.
Thank you for your input and support. We have all the permissions that our Comune require..may we have overlooked any nationally? We have looked into using an isoblock polystirene system to build the walls which will in effect give us our pool walls and insulate it at the same time, and a liner system. One thing bothering us is that the advice we have been given is to ensure accuracy within 2mm and that the forming of the infinity bit is a very precise job and only experienced operators are able to do it...perhaps we have been taken in a bit by the project manager from the 'firm'. Anyway, do you know anything about how in 'money' the difference is between doing it yourself and getting someone else in? How much should our budget be for DIY considering that we have been quoted E33,000 for a 10x4m,1.3h infinity pool with a roman end?