Hi Sbthorne,
Submitted by Ronco on Mon, 01/04/2016 - 22:15In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Hi Sbthorne, I think maybe you have already got wind of the local law that puts a maximum limit on 3 bedroom or 6 bedplaces for B&Bs in Piemonte, See the law number 20 of 2000 (Legge Regionale 13 marzo 2000, n. 20) in linkhttp://www.invia.it/bed_and_breakfast/leggi/come_aprire_bed_and_breakfast_piemonte.php It states:3. L'attività, che deve avere carattere di saltuarietà anche se per periodi stagionali ricorrenti, deve essere esercitata utilizzando non più di tre camere con un massimo di sei posti letto.Translated roughly 3. The activity should be of intermittent character although seasonal recurrent, with a maximum of three rooms with a maximum of six beds. I am sorry I feel that this is not really what you wanted to hear. Maybe a Relais or Agriturismo or Hotel would be more your line. For example see:http://www.agriturismo.it/it/extra/aprire-un-agriturismo-in-piemonte-501
Thanks Ronco for your time.
Submitted by sbthorne on Tue, 01/05/2016 - 04:02In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Thanks Ronco for your time. Yes, there are many variations out there as I'm finding! I believe I CAN operate a B&B with more rooms, but then would need to be taxed as a normal business, rather than just operate it for supplementary income. I'm still researching to get better clarity and will look at the links you suggest.Thanks again!
In reply to Thanks Ronco for your time. by sbthorne
Hi, now that I think about it
Submitted by Ronco on Thu, 01/07/2016 - 10:17In reply to Thanks Ronco for your time. by sbthorne
Many thanks Ronco. Always
Submitted by sbthorne on Thu, 01/07/2016 - 12:19In reply to Hi, now that I think about it by Ronco
Dear Sbthorne,
Submitted by Nicolas Dewulf on Thu, 01/07/2016 - 11:58In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Dear Sbthorne,
In Piemonte you can not run a B&B with more than 3 rooms for max. 6 persons in total, but there are a lot of other possibilities that give you the opportunity to run a similar business, it will only be called differently. For example, as an affitacamere you can have max. 6 rooms. Or, if you want to rent out holiday apartments / studios they are called "alloggi vacanze". Each has it's own rules, but the good thing is: almost everything is possible. See the list of accomodation types in Piemonte here : http://www.regione.piemonte.it/turismo/cms/strutture-ricettive (unfortunately the information is only available in Italian).
If you're in need of professional help in finding a property and / or starting a touristic activity, don't hesitate to ask (mail : info@advitalia.be, website: http://italy.advitalia.be )
Dear Nicholas
Submitted by sbthorne on Thu, 01/07/2016 - 12:21In reply to Dear Sbthorne, by Nicolas Dewulf
Dear NicholasMany thanks for your advice. I have this week trawled the Piemonte website and did manage to find the info you've suggested but was taking a while to Google-Translate the pages but got there in the end (my Italian needs a lot of improvement!). But that said, its good to hear from you to confirm what I thought I was finding out re affittacamere and so on as I was aware of the basic B&B restrictions and the reasons for it.Thanks again for taking the time to respond and for the additional tips and advice - its much apprecated. CheersSteve
If you get a partita IVA and
Submitted by modicasa on Fri, 01/08/2016 - 02:01In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
If you get a partita IVA and therefore are a professional B&Ber there should be no limit on what you are allowed to do. The regional laws are for people who let out a room to supplement their income and declare it on their tax forms. if it is a business and run as such, the national law will surely apply.
It is true that there are B&B
Submitted by Nicolas Dewulf on Fri, 01/08/2016 - 02:57In reply to If you get a partita IVA and by modicasa
It is true that there are B&B's with and without partita IVA. The difference is : those with a partita IVA have more income because they rent the rooms out more regularly than those who do it more as a hobby. BUT : if you call it B&B (partita IVA or not) you ALWAYS have the room restriction (in Piemonte 3, in other regions sometimes max. 4-6).
Thanks very much for the
Submitted by sbthorne on Sun, 01/31/2016 - 18:59In reply to If you get a partita IVA and by modicasa
And in other regions 11 or 12
Submitted by modicasa on Fri, 01/08/2016 - 10:42In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Thanks - will that in mind.
Submitted by sbthorne on Sun, 01/31/2016 - 19:00In reply to And in other regions 11 or 12 by modicasa
Hello Steve,
Submitted by Ronco on Thu, 01/28/2016 - 06:44In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Hello Steve,I have finally talked to my Italian friends who run a B& B in Acqui Terme and am getting back to you. They confirmed the above comments in this forum conversation, stating in that 3 bedrooms (6 bed places) is the maximum to stay within the favorable B&B tax bracket; above that you get taxed differently. Everything is possible but your tax status will be defined on the size and set up of your structure. My friends advice is to get a local accountant who will be familiar with the Piemonte Tax law for B&B / small hotels, who can best advise you on planning a future business. I would recommended to find an English speaking one to make life easier for you at the minute – it must be possible to find one if you set your mind to it, and get the relevant Tax planning advice at the beginning of your business planning. By the way I am an Architect from the UK and living/working in Italy for many years. If you require an Architect I would be delighted to be of assistance, I am often in Piemonte and could possibly view a property that you are evaluating to give advice free of commitment. All the best and happy hunting, Conor
Cheers Conor - much
Submitted by sbthorne on Sun, 01/31/2016 - 18:58In reply to Hello Steve, by Ronco
In reply to Cheers Conor - much by sbthorne
Hi Steve,Just a thoughtHave a look at thishttp://lavillahotel.net/It is bigger than what you have in mind, an upmarket boutique hotel opened many years ago by a UK couple who found the abandoned building, bought it and renovated it. Now seems to be well established with an English speaking clientele, but certainly did not happen overnight and it has been a long road of trial and error to get to where they are now.Would be a bit cheeky but you could give them a call and see if they can share some stories, I am sure they have many stories that will be of interest – you can say that you are looking to open a b+b / hotel far from them in another part of Piemonte. All the best, Conor
Dear Sbthorn,
Submitted by Italian Dream House on Sun, 01/31/2016 - 04:23In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Buonasera Elisabetta
Submitted by sbthorne on Sun, 01/31/2016 - 18:57In reply to Dear Sbthorn, by Italian Dream House
Buonasera ElisabettaMany thanks for responding! I've been researching where I can but advice from someone already in the business would be most welcome!I'm trying now to clarify three main points:1. How many rooms can I have - this will be a full time business so not under the B&B "occasional" set-up. More like a hotel but not a hotel, if you know what I mean. 2. Categories - L'Affitacamere/B&B/Residence - any implication of each for what can be delivered? Tax implications?3. Food Service - I read a lot about not being able to provide anything other than pre-packaged food for breakfast, but my partner would like to be able to cook occasional meals for guests as we're both big italian foodies and love to cook. Can we do this? Any regulations we need to follow?Many thanks!Steve
Buongiorno Steve,
Submitted by Italian Dream House on Tue, 02/02/2016 - 07:44In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Buongiorno Steve,
to answer your questions:
1. B&B: up to 3 bedrooms/6 guests;
Affittacamere: up to 6 bedrooms/12 guests;
Hotel: from 7 bedrooms up (if you have more than 7 bedrooms, it cannot be anything else but a hotel).
2. You mention "Residence" which is an additional type of activity. In order to call it Residence or Casa Vacanza, you need to have at least 3 apartments/houses without shared services. The apartments need to be equipped with their own kitchen and, of course, be furnished.
- B&B can only serve breakfast.
- Affittacamere can offer meals to its own guests. In order to do so, you need to request a specific approval by the sanitary service, in addition to the one for Affittacamere.
All kind of activities are subject to taxation (B&B included, in spite of what most people believe), what changes is the bookkeeping they require. Taxation cannot be defined a priori, it depends on your overall income.
3. Affittacamere can serve meals to its clients (not to external clients like a restaurant). The procedure to follow is specified here:
http://www.regione.piemonte.it/turismo/cms/strutture-ricettive/affittacamere.html
For food somministration in particular:
http://www.regione.piemonte.it/sanita/cms2/alimenti/notifica-imprese-alimentari
...Italians make things complicated, I know. It's even hard for us Italians to understand all requirements!
All the best!
Elisabetta
PS: In case you have enough land to be considered a farmer (agricoltore), you could create an agriturismo, which can have up to 25 beds, but that's a completely different story.
Dear Elisabette,
Submitted by hayzie on Sun, 10/22/2017 - 14:10In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Dear Elisabette,I just came across your post from a couple of years ago - I hope you;re business continues to do well! I wonder if you can advise on the tax or where I can get advice on the tax for renting our a dependance/2nd house on the same land as your main house - for holiday use so 3-5 months of the year please.Grazie milleMark.
This is very useful
Submitted by BrianB on Thu, 03/07/2019 - 05:29In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec