That's a good point. I wonder how they do work it out if there have been no/few sales. Probably just as you say!Yes, the palazzo above the cantinas is pretty big but luckily it is renovated and has been inhabited by the same families for a long time. They keep it in tip top condition and it has had a new roof in the last 10 years. Our liability is worked out by square meterage - i.e. if the palazzo had to have a new roof for example, each owner pays in proportion to the square meterage they own. Pretty fair I suppose. It's one reason why the practically the first question out of an Italian buyers mouth is usually "when was the roof replaced"!!We've both restored several houses (in the UK & here) too and we keep saying we've got one more left in us. Then we're definitely not selling!I must admit I will miss the fact that our house is always toasty warm and has small bills. We rarely have the central heating on and if we do I leave it on 15 degrees to take the chill off downstairs (the bedroom and bathroom are downstairs). The stufa is plenty and we like having a real fire.Two houses were being done up in our street so we couldn't get any shots of the outside without scaffolding or building materials in them. If it's sunny tommorow I might take some. I've only got an old one from when I bought it and it's not too attractive but it does demonstrate you can drive a car to the door!
Less obstructive hopefully! Ascoli are perfectly aware of the rules but have decided to ignore them.Do you guys have your permannet residency/permanent inscription to the health service?
Amanda,don't forget Corriere Annunci. You can advertise online at: http://www.corriereannunci.it/index.php We got a good response from this and always sell our stuff using them rather than eBay. I always put a link to our website with all the photos of the house on.We tried eBay for the house we just sold but got no response at all so I don't really rate it and you have to pay.Good Luck!
Thanks CapoBoi. I agree Amanda - it seems very good value!Hi PianoPiano,No, parking is always hard to come by here in the "centro storico" and we are very much in the centre. There are parking bays at the bottom of our road and you can at least drive down our street (which is a dead end) in a Panda or small vehicle unlike many streets. That's about as good as it gets unless you are very fortunate. To be honest we are always forgetting where we have parked the car, we use it so little! One of the advantages of being in a town that has all the required facilities.Where are you living?The figures on the Agenzia delle Entrate site are from the first 6 months of this year and as there is no incentive to underdeclare any more, you have to assume they are fairly accurate nowadays - unlike when we bought 6 or 7 years ago when underdeclaration was rife.Avio's business has always been the domestic market with foreign buyers very much an added bonus so maybe they are not feeling the pinch quite as much as someone like Monica for example who has always marketed to the foreign market very successfully. I bought my first house from her (this is my second and just waiting to sell, to buy my third!) but it must be tough for agents in that position at the moment.There is not a lot of unrestored property/abandoned property in Amandola town centre but I do know what you mean. We've been to lots of places only poplulated by some pensioners and lots of cats (!) that have tons of property "to restore" that look like they never will be. It was one of my criteria to live in a town that had a thriving population and wasn't depopulating.Your comment about Italians wanting modern apartments is certainly true but what was very interesting was the number of Italian viewers we got for my husband's old convent (which is totally to restore). They were much more keen to restore themselves because they could ensure that the renovation was done to comply with earthquake regulations unlike buying an already renovated property where they just did not know. Must be a result of the l'Aquila earthquake. We would have sold it last year to an Italian family who wanted to open a martial arts centre (it has tons of volume registered that can be recovered) but they couldn't get the finance. All of the viewers were from outside of the area (the majority from Rome).We've had some enquiries for the house in Amandola from Italians with children who want some outside space for them to play in. They are all from Amandola. You need to also want the extra cantina/annex space otherwise 175k is a lot for 70sqm of house!
Hi Cap Boi,The calculations work like this: 70sqm x €1300 per sqm = €91,000 for the main house110 sqm (of annexe) x €650 per sqm (50% of price per sqm as it is officially resgistered as cantina space to finish) = €71,500Plus €12,500 for the fact it has a garden plus a terrace and is detached (almost impossible to find detached townhouses with gardens in Amandola). And of course it's beautiful - but that's just our opinion and you'd have to see for yourself So that's how we get to a €175,000 asking price. You can check the per sqm prices for any place here: http://www.agenziaterritorio.it/site.php?id=2158 It makes a lot more sense to me to value places on the square meterage. Obviously if you get in the lucky position of having a couple of people both wanting the property then they can always outbid each other but I can't really imagine that happening here so much. We're not leaving Marche either BTW, just moving.
I spoke to my estate agent friends this week (in Comunanza, Marche) and they have been pretty busy since the end of August. Properties under about 200,000 are going well. She quoted this figure because generally the buyers don't need finance for these "cheaper" properties. I don't think it is correct to say that the price for all properties are falling and the number of sales are low. Amba's price IMHO is good. It's just a case of patience.The properties that are not selling are the big, restored "villas with pools" that previously appealed to British buyers. You just need to trawl the agents sites to see how many are for sale - lots.Italians make up the highest propportion of purchasers so it would be mad to ignore that market. We had lots of Italian viewers (mostly from out of the area, looking for a holiday home) and very few foreigners. My husband's ex has also just sold her house, as have some friends who have had their house for sale for over 2 years, so the markets is definitely picking up.We were very pro-active in marketing the house (well, ruin really). I created a website, we posted links to it everywhere we could find, we put up posters with tear off strips in our shop and of course we used an agent. We're doing the same with the house we live in: houses.sibillinicycling.com I'll happily do the same for anyone else struggling to sell - just PM me.So, if you are sitting in a villa with pool you are trying to sell for three quarters of a million euro (or more) and are aiming firmly at foreign buyers you will probably have a long wait. If you have a reasonably priced property that represents good value to the Italian market too then hang on in there.Just my two penneth worth.
I'm not exactly computer illiterate (I'm an IT consultant) but I find the format and useability of the "community" so cumbersome that it drives me to distraction. I can't imagine what less IT savvy people make of it. They've probably given up!
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That's a good point. I wonder how they do work it out if there have been no/few sales. Probably just as you say!Yes, the palazzo above the cantinas is pretty big but luckily it is renovated and has been inhabited by the same families for a long time. They keep it in tip top condition and it has had a new roof in the last 10 years. Our liability is worked out by square meterage - i.e. if the palazzo had to have a new roof for example, each owner pays in proportion to the square meterage they own. Pretty fair I suppose. It's one reason why the practically the first question out of an Italian buyers mouth is usually "when was the roof replaced"!!We've both restored several houses (in the UK & here) too and we keep saying we've got one more left in us. Then we're definitely not selling!I must admit I will miss the fact that our house is always toasty warm and has small bills. We rarely have the central heating on and if we do I leave it on 15 degrees to take the chill off downstairs (the bedroom and bathroom are downstairs). The stufa is plenty and we like having a real fire.Two houses were being done up in our street so we couldn't get any shots of the outside without scaffolding or building materials in them. If it's sunny tommorow I might take some. I've only got an old one from when I bought it and it's not too attractive but it does demonstrate you can drive a car to the door!
Less obstructive hopefully! Ascoli are perfectly aware of the rules but have decided to ignore them.Do you guys have your permannet residency/permanent inscription to the health service?
Amanda,don't forget Corriere Annunci. You can advertise online at: http://www.corriereannunci.it/index.php We got a good response from this and always sell our stuff using them rather than eBay. I always put a link to our website with all the photos of the house on.We tried eBay for the house we just sold but got no response at all so I don't really rate it and you have to pay.Good Luck!
Thanks CapoBoi. I agree Amanda - it seems very good value!Hi PianoPiano,No, parking is always hard to come by here in the "centro storico" and we are very much in the centre. There are parking bays at the bottom of our road and you can at least drive down our street (which is a dead end) in a Panda or small vehicle unlike many streets. That's about as good as it gets unless you are very fortunate. To be honest we are always forgetting where we have parked the car, we use it so little! One of the advantages of being in a town that has all the required facilities.Where are you living?The figures on the Agenzia delle Entrate site are from the first 6 months of this year and as there is no incentive to underdeclare any more, you have to assume they are fairly accurate nowadays - unlike when we bought 6 or 7 years ago when underdeclaration was rife.Avio's business has always been the domestic market with foreign buyers very much an added bonus so maybe they are not feeling the pinch quite as much as someone like Monica for example who has always marketed to the foreign market very successfully. I bought my first house from her (this is my second and just waiting to sell, to buy my third!) but it must be tough for agents in that position at the moment.There is not a lot of unrestored property/abandoned property in Amandola town centre but I do know what you mean. We've been to lots of places only poplulated by some pensioners and lots of cats (!) that have tons of property "to restore" that look like they never will be. It was one of my criteria to live in a town that had a thriving population and wasn't depopulating.Your comment about Italians wanting modern apartments is certainly true but what was very interesting was the number of Italian viewers we got for my husband's old convent (which is totally to restore). They were much more keen to restore themselves because they could ensure that the renovation was done to comply with earthquake regulations unlike buying an already renovated property where they just did not know. Must be a result of the l'Aquila earthquake. We would have sold it last year to an Italian family who wanted to open a martial arts centre (it has tons of volume registered that can be recovered) but they couldn't get the finance. All of the viewers were from outside of the area (the majority from Rome).We've had some enquiries for the house in Amandola from Italians with children who want some outside space for them to play in. They are all from Amandola. You need to also want the extra cantina/annex space otherwise 175k is a lot for 70sqm of house!
Hi Cap Boi,The calculations work like this: 70sqm x €1300 per sqm = €91,000 for the main house110 sqm (of annexe) x €650 per sqm (50% of price per sqm as it is officially resgistered as cantina space to finish) = €71,500Plus €12,500 for the fact it has a garden plus a terrace and is detached (almost impossible to find detached townhouses with gardens in Amandola). And of course it's beautiful - but that's just our opinion and you'd have to see for yourself
So that's how we get to a €175,000 asking price. You can check the per sqm prices for any place here: http://www.agenziaterritorio.it/site.php?id=2158 It makes a lot more sense to me to value places on the square meterage. Obviously if you get in the lucky position of having a couple of people both wanting the property then they can always outbid each other but I can't really imagine that happening here so much. We're not leaving Marche either BTW, just moving.
I spoke to my estate agent friends this week (in Comunanza, Marche) and they have been pretty busy since the end of August. Properties under about 200,000 are going well. She quoted this figure because generally the buyers don't need finance for these "cheaper" properties. I don't think it is correct to say that the price for all properties are falling and the number of sales are low. Amba's price IMHO is good. It's just a case of patience.The properties that are not selling are the big, restored "villas with pools" that previously appealed to British buyers. You just need to trawl the agents sites to see how many are for sale - lots.Italians make up the highest propportion of purchasers so it would be mad to ignore that market. We had lots of Italian viewers (mostly from out of the area, looking for a holiday home) and very few foreigners. My husband's ex has also just sold her house, as have some friends who have had their house for sale for over 2 years, so the markets is definitely picking up.We were very pro-active in marketing the house (well, ruin really). I created a website, we posted links to it everywhere we could find, we put up posters with tear off strips in our shop and of course we used an agent. We're doing the same with the house we live in: houses.sibillinicycling.com I'll happily do the same for anyone else struggling to sell - just PM me.So, if you are sitting in a villa with pool you are trying to sell for three quarters of a million euro (or more) and are aiming firmly at foreign buyers you will probably have a long wait. If you have a reasonably priced property that represents good value to the Italian market too then hang on in there.Just my two penneth worth.
I recommend a website called www.subito.it We have just sold a property there. Mostly Italian buyers but ours were actually Belgian.
I'm not exactly computer illiterate (I'm an IT consultant) but I find the format and useability of the "community" so cumbersome that it drives me to distraction. I can't imagine what less IT savvy people make of it. They've probably given up!
http://www.agenziaentrate.gov.it/ilwwcm/connect/Nsi/Servizi/Bollo+auto/C... You can do it by KW or CV or number plate.