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04/18/2010 - 08:59

Hi All. PiacereThis is our first time although we have been viewing your inputs for a long time now. We wish to offer any knowledge we have gained and ask for advice when needed too.We bought a unihabitable farmhouse 3 and a half yrs ago nr Lanciano Abruzzo. the sale was fine and we went all through the notaries and registry.We have since been written to by the agenzia territorio 6 mths ago to say that we have to reregister the property as it was registered as fabbricato rurale and needs reregistering because of the gazzetta Ufficiale needing updating. They charge a fee to do this of 100 euros and there is a two page form in italian to complete and submit. We have got all the measurements from our architects drawings to use. We were told if we dont reregister soon we will be fined a minimum of 2600 euros plus taxes and expenses by the agenzia.An agent has quoted 600 euros plus taxes to do the forms and submit them.Our question is does anyone else know about this? what is everyone else doing? The fee from the agent to do the forms seems very high even by Italian standards.Are Italians filling the forms themselves and just posting them rather than delivering?we dont know anyone yet so have no one else to askWe would be so grateful for any advice pleaseDougal

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You have no choice - it seems a bit unfair but thats the way it is. It is a long term plan to a) change the way fabbricati rurali are registerd as enti urbani and b) make some money for the state.  As an ente urbano the house will be liable for ICI and other taxes that you could have avoided having a mere FR. Slowly all of Italy is making the changeover, and there are fines if you dont do it in the time prescribed by the region.  I am surprised that you can do it yourself - usually it must be done by a 'professional' - ie an architect, geometra, tecnico - and they charge according to the size of the building and so on - so when you say agent what do you mean? IF its an 'agent', they are just being the middleman and will cream off some money for the privilege.   

In reply to by Ram

Hi Ram, many thanks for your full and helpful reply, by agent I meant architect/geometra. we have in fact had two quotes from 2 different architects, one for 600 euros plus taxes and one for 500 euros plus taxes.If as you say this is unavoidable and everyone is having to do it, it looks like we will just have to bite the bullet and get on with it. thanks for your help ciao Dougal

Hi Alan, thanks very much for that. This seems to be unavoidable. weve had two quotes now but might try another just for good measure and then get on with it. Ciao Dougal

Just saying "Welcome" from Sicily, Dougal.  I have no experience of buying property here so I can't help with your query but I see you have received some excellent advice above. 

In reply to by Patz

Hi Patz thankyou very much for your warm welcome  and its nice to meet you. We havent been to Sicily yet (our place is in Abruzzo) but is on our tick list. By the way been away from the computer for a while hence the delayed reply Ciao Dougalsmiley

Hi Dougal and welcome. As you have seen the "recatastamento" is unavoidable. We also had to submit new plans showing some very minor internal reforms made by the previous owner. I think that the fees are pretty much what we ended up paying, even if my husband - a retired architect - had already drawn up all the new plans reflecting those slight changes.

Hi Gala Placidia thankyou for your welcome and very helpful comments. Looks like we must bite the bullet and get on with it! As I have just told Patz apologies for the delayed reply but have had to be away from the computer for a while.  Ciao Dougalsmiley

We have purchased a property in Abruzzo, and like yourself have found charges and extra costs very high. However I dont think these can be avoided, sorry. Maureen