comune tributi form - advice and translation?

07/22/2009 - 17:32

Along with this years rubbish tax I've been sent a form by my comune's tax office for my house. I've got two problems with it: one is not knowing what some of the abbreviations mean, the other is not being sure the best options to choose. First the abbreviations:The form begins: Il sottoscritto ... nato a .... il ... e residente in ... [fine so far] alla ... [at the what?] , C.F/P.I .. [codice fiscale I know, but don't know what P.I. is or if I have one], L.r.p.t della Societa... [no idea what that means] P.Iva ... [IVA is VAT, but P.Iva? Why would I have one?]Now the problems with the content;First, they want to know the details of the owner. It's actually joint ownership with my wife, but the form makes no allowance for this possibility at all. Will it cause problems to overwrite the form and put both in? Next, they want to know what the house is used for. We are resident in England and use the house for holidays for us and family, with occasional holiday letting (very occasional this year ;-( I declare rental income on my British tax return. Their choices for occupation type are single occupier, nucleo familiare, commercial activity, other kind of occupation; their choices for use are uso abitazione, immobile tenuto a disposizione, uso comerciale, locali adibiti a box, altri usi. I think that for occupation type I should choose nucleo familiare, and for use I should choose 'immobile tenuto a disposizione'. Does that sound right for a family owned holiday home? Will it have any bad tax consequences?Thanks for any adviceGraham

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As an Italian native speaker living in Italy I hope I can help you.Filling the formIn the field "alla" I think you should enter your address.AbbreviationsC.F. stands for Codice Fiscale which is your tax code. P.I. stands for Partita Iva which is your number of VAT, if you have one. You should have a Partita Iva if you are and Indipendent Worker or a Libero Professionista.As for the content, I will let you know as soon as possible - I'll contact a friend of mine, who's a commercialista and has better knowledge of this kind of issues!

would help if you gave the name/number of the form... cause if you are resident the form if its for the comune tax should not apply... i think that also if you are joint owners you should be sent two forms...each owner filling in their own... however it could also be the italian income tax form where there is a notional value regarding the estimated rental for your property...low... it really depends on a lot more input from you as to status here as to what form you are talking about... as Valentina is helping anyway best to wait till she talks to her friend... the other option is take it to a bookeeper local to you and have him/her do the calculations and fill in the form... limited costs of around 10-30 euro....if its simple...ie you dont live or work here

Adriatica's question is not without sense.In fact ICI tax - which is the tax to pay if you own a house in Italy - is sent at home with the amount already calculated. Maybe it's different with you, since you live abroad.However my friend told me that the owner and other details about the house (type, use) are indicated in the Visura Catastale document of your house in Italy.Re the use, since it is your second home, it should be "immobile tenuto a disposizione".Hope this helps.Valentina

Thanks Valentina/AdriaticaThe form has no number: the letter that came with is from the comune and just says 'Lei risulta iscritto nelle liste della Tassa per lo smaltimento dei rifiuti urbani di quato Comune. As sensi del provvedimento in oggetto ed agli obblighi conseguenti, si richeidono alcune informazioni integrative rispetto ai dati in nostro possesso specificamente riguardo l'occupante/detentore dell'immobile e l'immobile stesso.'Of course they already have most of the information they're asking for in the catasto, so I read this as just trawling for anything they could use to raise money..As for the ICI, that always causes me problems: I live in England and am not resident in Italy. The annual figures for the ICI come out in June, but my comune expects me (or a commercialista) to do the calculations - they don't post me anything - and only allows me to pay at the counter, not by bank transfer, because they need to check my calculations. So I'm supposed to go to Italy each June just to pay it (the flight costs more than the ICI...)Un abbraccioGraham

Graham, see if you can find a good commercialista to do the ICI for you. Ours only charges 10 euro per person (assuming the house is in 2 names - otherwise just 10 euro). Ours does all the paperwork, pays it, tells you how much it is and if you didn't live in Italy would let you pay him by bank transfer. A lot cheaper than flying over! The form you have receieved is just saying that you are inscribed in the register to pay your rubbish tax. They are just asking for details of the property and owner. It's not a ploy to get more money honest.

Go to your comune. Talk to the tecnico. Be nice to him/her. Resolve the problem together. Simple. And remember. If you live here and your home is your "Prima Casa" (sorry about the capitalisation - inglese...) you don't pay ICI any more. Go and talk to them and ignore all the rest of the "advice" offered here as it is meaningless. Talk. Interact. Make friends in your comune. Stop.

prima casa ... capitalised or not does not mean that you do not have to pay ici... it depends very much on the class that the house is registered at... ie a villa with swimming pool owner...prima casa will pay ici... STOP... is this sort of language war time talk... have seen it on blackadder i think... radio people all say STOP when they finish talking from the trenches...howvere 21st century internet comms do not require it so shall withold nmy last one and hope people understand ive finished writing... ....

Adriatica typed:"prima casa ... capitalised or not does not mean that you do not have to pay ici... it depends very much on the class that the house is registered at... ie a villa with swimming pool owner...prima casa will pay ici... STOP... is this sort of language war time talk... have seen it on blackadder i think... radio people all say STOP when they finish talking from the trenches... howvere 21st century internet comms do not require it so shall withold nmy last one and hope people understand ive finished writing... .... " You like Berlusconi, don't you? Well, let me remind you of the only thing that he has done for the benefit of someone other than himself since taking office. He abolished the payment of ICI on prima case for legal residents in Italy. Yes, you are correct that if your house is considered "luxury" (is yours?) then you are still liable to pay the luxury tax associated with your luxury house. However, I doubt there are many people on here that have "luxury" houses in Italy. I'm not even sure that Villa Certosa is classified as a Luxury home, from the point of view of ICI. You really should keep up with what your hero does, you know.

It is good that relative newcomers to Italian form filling etc like me can get advice from more established residents/community members. Could we please accept that advice given is given and received in good faith. Thanks everyone.