Free solar panels?
Submitted by sagraiasolar on Fri, 08/06/2010 - 05:35In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
The answer to your question is yes - in a way. It is the bank that pays for the panels and you then pay them back from the production meter revenues which GSE pay directly into the loan a/c. As I have done this I can report that it works out OK. I have a slight overproduction too so the other meter - the two way one - returns a slight surplus on electricity bills as well. If you don't have an income the bank might demand a deposit, say Eur 10,000 so the entry cost might be that much. At first glance this looks like a tight call as to whether it's worth it but the clincher for me is the fact that electrcity bills are not only below zero they are frozen too. Within 15 years just the saved bills should pay for the panels and they will still be there for more free years and payments that eventually go in your pocket and not the banks. I look on this as being like a pension where the income from the PV panels pays for all my other energy costs which with the solar/wood/ heat store combination are minimal anyway. You can do away with a gas boiler altogether so there is an immediate saving to be had there.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Yup Getby is used by friends of mine in Penna San Giovanni..............works VERY well..............550 euro year one, (set up costs etc) 300 per annum after; connection speed is a very steady 5mb +. I recommend it. You need line of sight to the antenna on Smerillo............ A chap in the computer shop in Montelparo (?)....install it. S
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Sorry to be thick hope I have got this correct but I am not sure. As I understand it an average cost of a Solar PV installation (in UK for example) is between 10 and 15,000 pounds (roughly the same as Euro's for this question). A non resident of Italy would have no visible income in Italy, so, a bank requests a 10,000 Euro deposit on a 10-15,000 Euro installation it sounds to me like you would be better off using the original 10,000 Euro's deposit as part payment for the installation and borrowing any shortfall. Or have lost the plot, which is possible due to age and insanity. Still interested in a PV installation though. It has to be a good idea, just the funding may be a challenge.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I have had a quote.....
Submitted by Kensington2 on Sat, 08/07/2010 - 03:47In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I have had a quote for PV panels in Tuscany at 4,200 Euros per KW based on a supply of 12KW in total. I am not at the stage of installing but just getting costs so thought it might be interesting to you all. I have also heard of the loan to finance the purchase and installation which seems like a good idea to me. Apparently Italy has a long way to go to reach the EU target for renewable energy so it seems like this deal will be around for some time (i hope). Also the cost of this technology will be coming down the more people that have it.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
The state incentives for PV are deductible from your IRPEF (income tax) so require that you are resident. The incentives finish at the end of the year, which means that your plant must be installed and working by 31 December. The paperwork can be extended till June 2011. The figures quoted seem high to me - 3Kw should be about 14-18000 euros. you get the highest rate of incentive if the panels are part of the house, slightly less if they're on a garage roof for example, and less till if they're apart from the house on the ground.
I'd forgotten about that bit................so, basically, go in debt to the tune of 20/30/40/50k, claim back off your tax (if you pay enough!). Payback period of 15/20 years...............blimey! Any excess power that you collect, gets siphoned off to Enel (who pay you for it (at tuppence ha'penny or so)), who THEN let you buy the same back off them (at a higher rate than the tuppence ha'penny)..........doesn't stack up to me! S
PV truths...
Submitted by sagraiasolar on Sat, 08/07/2010 - 07:08In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
You don't have to be resident to do the deal - only to claw back tax if applicable. The pay back is not 15 years at all. 7 - 8 is the norm. Don't forget your leccy bills are going to go up every year meanwhile. The savings on your bills alone should buy the kit over 15 years... meanwhile there is something like 10 Eoros a day going into your pocket, or the bank's. A cash machine in the garden is a fine thing
solarshare
Submitted by sanje48 on Sat, 08/07/2010 - 09:55In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Thanks for all the replies. I'm probably being thick but I still don't quite get it. Is this the way it works? Cost of PV installation (eg.3kw) lets say 18000euros Bank pays costs up front for the installation via a loan( what rate of interest would apply? favourable? or usual rate). Cost of loan repaid from ENEL payback on electricity generated. over what time frame? Are you then bill free? Or does your bill for electricity used depend on how much you are generating? And is there any further cash payback from ENEL to you the account holder. This is what I cant get my head around. What about maintenance, insurance against damage ie hailstorms, theft etc? Who pays for that? Sorry to be dense
In reply to solarshare by sanje48
Thanks for all the replies. I'm probably being thick but I still don't quite get it. Is this the way it works? Cost of PV installation (eg.3kw) lets say 18000euros (Yes this my understanding) Bank pays costs up front for the installation via a loan( what rate of interest would apply? favourable? or usual rate). (Yes this my understanding, although I should think the bank will want to make money out of it!) Cost of loan repaid from ENEL payback on electricity generated. over what time frame? (Yes this my understanding, my understanding is some 15 to 20 years, other more knowledgable people will advise better I'm sure) Are you then bill free? Or does your bill for electricity used depend on how much you are generating? And is there any further cash payback from ENEL to you the account holder. This is what I cant get my head around. (Yes I beleive you are then bill free - with the possibility of ongoing maintenance costs ?) What about maintenance, insurance against damage ie hailstorms, theft etc? Who pays for that? (Yes all in the original 'suggested' 18,000............ongoing after the 'term' I think you wil be on your own - out of the savings that you make............at this point you SHOULD be quids(euros) in )! Sorry to be dense
Facinating
Submitted by IBarfoot on Sun, 08/08/2010 - 12:28In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec