A couple of things come to
Submitted by stevegwmonkseaton on Tue, 12/27/2016 - 10:33In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
A couple of things come to mind like from our experience there is no such thing as “quintessential Italian” as everywhere we have been has been quite different. However if it’s the core things like their love for food and coffee, then most places we have been to are the same! Someone recently was trying to put their finger on what they felt about the Italian way of life and said they just couldn’t really explain why they loved it so much and I knew immediately what they meant by it – hard to describe.We loved Tuscany as it was such a beautiful “twee” area and there lies the reason (apart from the cost) as to why we never even bothered to look at houses there, although we did have a brief look at northern Tuscany. We had been to both north and south several times and really enjoyed the place, but I’m not too sure we could have lived there.Someone recently had a similar post and I suggested they look at flights and airports as it is more than likely you will want/need to fly back and forward. Certainly if it’s just a holiday home it will be important to have good connections. Obviously international airports like Rome and Milan come to mind, but if you are up for it there are a number of smaller airports that have good connections to either the above or other bigger European airports.We found many people when buying or having bought were keen at first to want to share their experience by meeting other English speaking people. However it was amazing how many after a short while actively avoided giving away they spoke English if they happened to bump into such in say a bar or supermarket! Oddly enough we live quite remote with the main road outside our house being a tiny rural road 3k long. But there are 2 other English speaking families on the same road 1k either side of us. If you find a place you like the look of, then look here on this site and you can see exactly how many like English speakers will be nearby. Okay the data is a little out of date, but if our place and a few others we know are anything to go by, they have increased in numbers since.
Thanks for the info Steve. I
Submitted by Kinetic99 on Tue, 12/27/2016 - 15:15In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Thanks for the info Steve. I agree , building connections for the management of a holiday home are important, year round. Which is one of the reasons to settle in community with other English people. Mind you, over time I guess , more and more Italian friends and connections can be established.Question: what do you mean by "twee"?i have family in Molise, close enough and friendly. I've visited there about 7 times. I'm sure I'll be going back. It's a nice mountainous place with nice villages, great food, great coffe, good art, friendly people but it really shines in the summer time only. Other times of the year it is rather vacant, quiet, colder from altitude and possibly boring. When it comes to investing big bucks into a holiday home over there I tend to hesitate. Probably because I would spend most of my time travelling to other hotspots in Italy where the interest lies. Sure a single home can cost a fraction of the cost but it is a rather remote area and a 3 hour drive to Fiumacino, and 2 hours to Naples. Nothing substantial in between except forest. Train rides are slow and regionale and take even longer. So the convenience of a faster arrival from Canada is not there (8 hour flight, 5 hour train, get picked up at station, etc) Im aiming for a faster arrival time and more convenient if possible.my idea is to have a holiday home in a region with more interest, activity, safe and Italian, then possibly leverage it out to Molise friends. I could always visit the Molise area and have accommodations for a short visit laid out.thinking out loud here, but trying to figure out a game plan.
twee - have a look here , but
Submitted by stevegwmonkseaton on Tue, 12/27/2016 - 17:30In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
twee - have a look here , but I would say over done in places! Molise is just South of us, never been, but yes similar problems regards travel. As I was hinting it depends on your nature, we would hop to Bergamo from Pescara if need be or even Milan, but Pescara to London Stansted whilst there suits us. Guess coming from Canada would be a very different issue and as the 2 hours or so to Stansted trouble me, I don'y think I would like it much!
I think Italy is unlike other
Submitted by modicasa on Wed, 12/28/2016 - 04:01In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I think Italy is unlike other European countries such as Spain and France where foreigners create their own little communities. While there undoubtedly expat communities here, alot of people come to Italy to avoid that set up, and want to integrate as much as possible in the local community. There seem to a fair amount of English speaking communities in Puglia, nowadays. Otherwise I would suspect that Tuscany is your best bet.
Try Umbria ,
Submitted by Ugo on Sat, 12/31/2016 - 09:50In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Try Umbria ,http://www.lifeinitaly.it/italiasegreta/regioni/umbria/Umbria.htmfrom the point of view of real estate, it is much cheaper than the Tuscan, living there for over twenty years, many British, American, Dutch. Logistically has a small airport and well connected comuque to 2 hours by car or train are Rome and Florence
Thanks Ugo. Umbria does look
Submitted by Kinetic99 on Sun, 01/01/2017 - 23:52In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
umbria airport 8 km from
Submitted by Ugo on Mon, 01/02/2017 - 03:52In reply to Thanks Ugo. Umbria does look by Kinetic99
I went to Abruzzo looking to
Submitted by Meadowlands38 on Mon, 01/02/2017 - 03:19In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I went to Abruzzo looking to purchase but found the lack of public transport off putting - Actually even looking at property was a challenge as many Agents were not very helpful or accomodating . I stayed in a larger town which i thought would assist me but overall it felt a very isolating experience. also i found property very overpriced in terms of ammenities offered - overall not a good experience - was sadly dissappointed .
What a shame, but it depends
Submitted by modicasa on Mon, 01/02/2017 - 06:46In reply to I went to Abruzzo looking to by Meadowlands38
It is a shame, but Modicasa
Submitted by stevegwmonkseaton on Mon, 01/02/2017 - 09:47In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
It is a shame, but Modicasa is very right about the research. We live in Abruzzo, but have been all over central and northern Italy. I have to say my first impression of Abruzzo was not great, but I'm so glad we bought there in the end. However we would have bought in none of the places we have been to if we thought we would have to depend on public transport as it's the same in all of them, unless you want to live in the city or one of its suburbs. I know some people like doing so, but it was not for us. I have little idea as to cost of houses around us, but do know there are some still for sale that we so when we bought over 6 years ago! It's also worth doing some research on what kind of prices these houses go for, and in any case none of us would pay more than we think a house was worth
The only public
Submitted by Kinetic99 on Mon, 01/02/2017 - 23:42In reply to It is a shame, but Modicasa by stevegwmonkseaton
The only public transportation that I've seen in Abbruzo and Molise is a regional train that starts from Rome or Naples and stops at many villages in between before hitting the regions capital. What could be a 2-3 hour direct train ride takes 5 hours. Then there could be a mountainous bus or drive commute to your final destination. For me, that's too inconvenient to get in and out - but not necessarily a deal breaker.There may be more options in Abruzzo but probably similar.
I think you will find many a
Submitted by stevegwmonkseaton on Tue, 01/03/2017 - 06:10In reply to The only public by Kinetic99
I think you will find many a place in Italy is the same unless you go to somewhere on a main line. Even then it may not be to destinations with a suitable airport. Abruzzo is like that, it does have many national trains, just they go north not across the mountains to Rome. Useless as far as an airport connection goes as Milan is 5 hours on the express. However the bus service across the mountain is very good and I've only ever heard of it once being delayed due to snow. We however would use a local plane to Bergamo or Linate from which you can get most places. Ideally they would have continued with the trial of a 3 a day flight to Rome which was perfect, but they only ran it for a few months and give up!
You might have a look at
Submitted by casa del campanile on Sat, 02/11/2017 - 19:49In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
You might have a look at Fivizzano and environs in Lunigiana. It is 30-40 minutes from the autostrada at Aulla on a well maintained “highway.” About 1.5 hour drive from Pisa airport. It is a fortress city, historical, good medical facilities including a hospital, etc., a train depot in another village a few miles away, good bus service, a number of restaurants, bars, including Elvetica which hosts the English book library, Oxfam English library and store, active Expat community, small “supermarket,” gas station, a pharmacy, bank, and a number of small shops. An ideal location for someone who wants to be out of the tourist traffic, yet not too far from "civilization." Had we been able to find a suitable property when we were looking, we would have bought in Fivizzano. They also have an extensive market in the square every Tuesday, I think. There is a wide range of properties; from city apts. to town houses, to detached houses with small land areas just outside town, and some estate type properties with vineyards, boscos, etc. in the general area. Check out properties at Lunigiana2000.comIt is just below the mountain range that has a fairly good ski resort. Not sure of winter snowfall ,in town, if any, or temps. Maybe someone from there might weigh in on that subject.Good luck,Fred
This is a great lead and
Submitted by Kinetic99 on Sun, 02/12/2017 - 12:22In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
It is a beautiful town, one
Submitted by stevegwmonkseaton on Sun, 02/12/2017 - 15:18In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec