IMU reductions for inagibilità o inabitabilità
Submitted by Poetica on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 16:51In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Within ICI there was a reduction for the condition of the property if it was 'inagibilità o inabitabilità'. I read on one of the IMU help sites that there is no provision within IMU for this reduction. But it may be granted according to the discretion of the Comune and decreto legislativo 15 dicembre 1997, n. 446 is cited as possibly the article 0n which to rely. Anyone know whether in practice this reduction has carried over from ICI into IMU. My Comune is the now not so new Fermo in Le Marche? Oh yes, and we are non-resident. Thank you.
Reduction if it is uninhabitable
Submitted by Fillide on Mon, 04/16/2012 - 19:02In reply to IMU reductions for inagibilità o inabitabilità by Poetica
another question about IMU
Submitted by londonlass on Tue, 04/17/2012 - 04:16In reply to Reduction if it is uninhabitable by Fillide
I went to my comune and asked them to calculate my IMU on our apartment - A2 - where the previous ICI was 632Euros. They gave me the following calculation : Rendita value + 5% x 160 x 10.6% = 1191,02. As you can see, that is some increase! This is 10.6% because I am not resident here. I have 2 questions for you Fillide. The first is what percentage would I be for an A2 house where I am resident on the anagrafe? I have looked at the list, but I can't see which percentage applies to that house? It says, 4.00% abitazione principale, pertinenze dell'abitazione principale classificate exclusavamente nelle categorie catastali C2, C6 and C7, 2.00% fabbricati rurali, 5.00% abitazioni concesse con contratto di locazione concordato in base all'articolo2 , 5.00% sola abitazione concessa in comodato gratuito a parente in linea primo grado, 7.90% fabbricati locali con contratto regolarmente registrato per almeno 90 giorni durante 2012, 7.90% abitazione residenza anagrafica di cointestario, 10.6% fabbricati di catastale A1 ad A9 per non residenti and 8.50% aliquota base! Second question, it says I have to pay this with Modello F24. Is this the incredibly long form on the Agenzia delle Entrate site? help please Fillide!
I've been looking into this a
Submitted by fweather1 on Tue, 04/17/2012 - 08:00In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I've been looking into this a bit too, Londonlass, and whilst I can't shed any light on your first question, I think you are right that the vast sums must be paid on the form F24 you mention. However, I think the form only looks so dauntingly long because it is in triplicate, so it's really only an A4 size form, and requires you to fill out your anagraphical details, and the amoung due, with the appropriate codes for your comune. Three times. Not sure if the amount has to be apportioned between state and local taxes. For my comune, the calculator does specify how much of the final amount goes where, but is less forthcoming on how to achieve this. I think I will be throwing myself on the mercy of the comune and/or post office. For what it's worth, the hike in your Imu does seem a bit steep. As a non resident, mine has gone from E440 to E569, without allowing for December's bit.
F24 and coses for state and local amounts
Submitted by Pacentro08 on Tue, 04/17/2012 - 09:00In reply to I've been looking into this a by fweather1
Just picking up on the last couple of posts. As I said in my original post, you have to use the F24 in triplicate, but as fweather1 says, there's actually very little to complete. My comune gave me two codes to enter on the form along with the amount to pay against each one. Presumably the codes vary from place to place, to make sure the right comune gets the money, but each individual comune will be able to provide the relevant codes.
IMU and F24
Submitted by londonlass on Tue, 04/17/2012 - 10:54In reply to F24 and coses for state and local amounts by Pacentro08
Thanks to everyone for helping clear up some of that! I will print off F24 and fill in as much as I can and then take it back to my comune to get the magic code for the apartment. Looking at Ram's reply for our house (prima casa) I will try and do the sum using 4% as the final number. I presume you meant 4% Ram, and not .4%? I would love it to be .4% but I can't be that lucky! Where does it say that you pay IMU on prima casa in 3 bites? I have not seen this written down. Is this so they have two chances to put it up rather than one?
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
If you were resident and it was your prima casa you would pay .4% as abitazione prinicipale minus 200 euros and minus 50 euros for any children under 26 who live at home. You must pay it by the F24 which you can download and go to your bank who will pay it. Bear in mind that if it is a second home you must pay half on 16 June and half on 16 December. If it is a first home you pay 1/3 on 16 June, 1/3 on 16 sept and 1/3 on 16 December.
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Its 4 parts per 1000, so not 4% If you are not resident in Italy then you dont have prima casa - unfortunately you cant just elect to have prima casa - so if you are non resident ie havent done all the bureacratic hoop jumping, - then you will be seconda casa. The three tranches for prima casa was passed yesterday by parliament.
4% or .4%!
Submitted by londonlass on Tue, 04/17/2012 - 11:11I think sometimes there is
Submitted by Penny on Tue, 04/17/2012 - 12:58In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I think sometimes there is some confusion between the term 'prima casa' and your 'abitazione principale'. Just because you elected to buy the property with 'prima casa' tax reduction and took out residency in the proerty (as per the rules) doesn't necessarily mean it is your 'abitazione principale'. Let me give you an example: We now live in a rented apartment in another part of Italy. I own my house in Amandola (bought it with the prima casa agevolazione) and we currently have our residency there. I cannot pay 0.4% IMU nor claim the €200 reduction as I don't live in it full time any more (despite still having my residency there - we have only just moved). I have to pay the 0.76% instead. Apparently comunes have been advised not to accept families claiming one person lives at one address and their husband/wife at another too. Effectively the reduction is per family. There was a very good article in our local paper with a spreadsheet showing how it is all calculated here.
ah well thats because
Submitted by Ram on Tue, 04/17/2012 - 13:41In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
if you have moved you should have moved your residency. You are now domiciled at another address, but still resident in an address where you are not resident. If you get my drift. It all boils down to that you should reside where you are resident unless there is a good reason - study, work etc. The new laws on nuclear families are precisely that - you cant claim prima casa IMU in two houses in the same comune at the same time - if you are a family - law since yesterday! There are also new laws on divorced and separated couples as of today.
Cointestario
Submitted by Fillide on Tue, 04/17/2012 - 19:14In reply to ah well thats because by Ram
There is a bit which I haven't yet got my head around (as they say) - which is if you are anagrafically resident, in somebody (a cointestario?)'s house the rate is .79%. If this means what I have interpreted it as meaning (I'm probaly mistaken) this isn't going to hold up in EU law. For anybody (Italian citizens living abroad) inscribed on AIRE, there were some agevolazione determined yesterday, but not if you have rented out your 'prima casa'. It's still a mess.
Found this article...
Submitted by rosanella on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 13:23In reply to Cointestario by Fillide
>For anybody (Italian citizens living abroad) inscribed on AIRE, there were >some agevolazione determined yesterday, but not if you have rented out >your 'prima casa'. It's still a mess. I've just googled 'IMU e agevolazioni per iscritti all AIRE' and came up with this one http://www.corritalia.de/Dettaglio.26+M589349f1795.0.html As I understand quite a few are rather upset because there won't be any 'agevolazioni' for us :( so as not to discriminate against non-Italians who own properties abroad (I'm trying to work this one out!) It's one heck of a shock :o to me in terms of my having to pay council taxes here and there for a property that I don't really own yet, have never lived in, have never been able to make proper use of (e.g. rent some of it) and won't be able to make use of in the near future.
Renting ouit
Submitted by Fillide on Fri, 04/20/2012 - 20:41In reply to Found this article... by rosanella
I agree, it's a minefield, and likely to see further amendments, but presumably you are not charging your father rent - you are permitting a parenti to use your portion of the house in 'comodita d'uso' - and the rules are different in this situation. Possibly the consulate have a tame commercialista on hand - but if he says 'boh', don't blame him, he is being honest! Welcome to Monti's profesisonal regime
Last time I paid ICI it was
Submitted by qui già on Tue, 04/17/2012 - 14:41In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Ram - we only just got here
Submitted by Penny on Tue, 04/17/2012 - 15:32In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Ram - we only just got here 10 days ago! We have yet to decide whether to change our residency or just our domicile for the first year. If we change our domicile only, we still have to pay the seconda casa rate on the house where we have residency. That was my point. qui già - if only! Actually you always got a discount so the 56 euro was probably after that and as IMU is more expensive than ICI I think you might owe them some more :-)
cointestari
Submitted by Ram on Wed, 04/18/2012 - 02:53In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
It seems our IMU is likely to
Submitted by Cassini on Tue, 04/24/2012 - 10:37In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec