I have an Australian Client for whom I refurbished their house on Lake Como, now they are living in Italy for over 12 months, and in their Pension years.
Hello all, I am writing asking the forum for help on behalf of an Australian client for whom we are refurbishing her house in Italy. The Australian lady bought the house to refurbish wanting to take up Italian citizenship.
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Hi, when you say underground I assume you mean an in the ground pool. Will it be in reinforced concrete? There are some half in the ground pools that cost less. I have not done such a pool but they are becoming more prevalent.
I am an architect and I can confirm the budget of €60k to be realistic IF the ground is relatively flat - If there is a big slope the pool will need costly foundations and may be over €60k
Also note that a sufficient area to relax and recline and even "party" around teh pool needs to be more than the area of the Pool. If it is less it still "works" but it is not as much fun. Also a good link to a kitchen somewhre not too far away also helps create a "lounge" atmosphere around the pool.
I am no expert - but I have been informed by a friend that most Italian banks will give you a loan using the house as secuity of up to 65% of the house's value.
I agree with Ugo. It is impossible to give an answer to you question. You need to put the same question to a local geometra or Architect or Engineer - but they will need the Catasto details and a visit to the Comune to answer you.
YES YOU ARE RIGHT. Estate agents earn their fee just by the introducing the seller to the buyer - that is all that they are legally obliged to do. They are not supposed to enter into the legal or tecnical aspects of the Property, that is all left to the Notaio and for the buyer to carry out their own Due Diligence.
Who was running the site on your behalf - and Architect? Geometra? or the Builder themselves? By the way I am an architect. I can put you in touch with my friend - a construction lawyer based in Milan who also speaks English, BUT much will depend on the Contract you had with the builder from the beginning...if you had a Contract.
If there is no Contract as such, it is more difficult but the general Codice Civile might help you, but a lawyer needs to give you a big hand.
Otherwise the hardball tactic is to hire a Geometra qualified as "Perito Edile" to look at the works carried out with the express instruction from you that they must find defects and reasons not to pay, this is a bit nasty, but usually results in a legal agreement that you pay less for the works – how much less depends on many factors.
Regarding Glamping, I do not know any local crafts people, as I am not from that area - but generally, and following on from the above comments - it has been done is some parts of Italy - so it can be done! The problem is that most Comuni in Italy will not know where to start with processing the Application for such an activity. BUT One thing to design well and resolve (to satisfy the Comune) is where and how the resulting sewage is treated and discharged and also general rubbish removal. Wishing you Luck!
I think you are doing the right things – check up, if you can, on the architects past projects, it is ideal if you can contact previous clients and speak to them. Architects by law needs to supply you will a fee offer which is broken down into the various Services that they will carry out on your behalf – from preliminary Design to applying for Permissions to Direzione dei Lavori (site supervision) each with an individual price, which you can discuss with them to understand in detail.
I am also an Architect. I obviously do not agree with Alan h’s suggestion to use a local Geometra – unless you project is quite small. Why invest your time and money on a local Geometra, if your project is important to you. An architect is more qualified – more emphasis on creativity and not necessarily more expensive – obviously if you go to an Architect with a studio of 20 people – they will cost more than one with a small office to maintain. But bear in mind that Architects and Geometras use exactly the same fee structure to calculate their fees (Tariffa Legge 140_2012). It is simply not true that Geometras are cheaper. But by all means ask a Geometra to give you a fee offer, but bear in mind that one of the most important aspects in choosing an Architect or Geometra is to ensure you have good chemistry, where it feels natural discussing ideas and getting to know the nature and spirit of your project. We always emphasize the generation of ideas with the client – often clients are surprised with the resulting design ideas, not believing the design approach would have been possible prior to the design development.
Also as for what Alan h says that you must use someone local - as they understand how the Comune work etc. I work in many different areas and Comuni, as long as they are within a 2 hour car drive distance from my base in Milan. I have never had any problem in obtaining Permissions. It really sounds like a medieval situation where you can only use local people who understand the territory. I think Italy is a modern country, even in the smallest Comuni. All the Comuni in Italy must abide by the same general rules, plus since Covid the vast majority are online with submissions via a digital platform making the submission of the many documents easier and introducing a more standardized system. Of course it is obvious that you should meet the Tecnico of the Comune and discuss in detail the project you want to carry out with an understanding of local traditions, construction techniques and rules - but it is equally obvious that the same Tecnico will not throw their hands up in horror when they realize they are dealing with an architect who is not from the local area, on the contrary they are usually happy to deal with new professional as long as correct procedures are followed – which is not difficult as it is not exactly “rocket science”.
By all means consider Architects for you refurbishment project and if it is not too late contact me to discuss your project.
I am an architect, currently we are carrying out two Eco superbonus projects in Piemonte. I confirm that the market has become very over stimulated. To discuss better the very complex issues it is better to have a chat. Please see my contact details from my site https://www.rinovaprojects.com/
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Hi, when you say underground I assume you mean an in the ground pool. Will it be in reinforced concrete? There are some half in the ground pools that cost less. I have not done such a pool but they are becoming more prevalent.
see link
https://progetti.piscineaquazzura.com/Piscine/Piscina-fuori-terra-semi-…
I am an architect and I can confirm the budget of €60k to be realistic IF the ground is relatively flat - If there is a big slope the pool will need costly foundations and may be over €60k
Also note that a sufficient area to relax and recline and even "party" around teh pool needs to be more than the area of the Pool. If it is less it still "works" but it is not as much fun. Also a good link to a kitchen somewhre not too far away also helps create a "lounge" atmosphere around the pool.
Hi
I am no expert - but I have been informed by a friend that most Italian banks will give you a loan using the house as secuity of up to 65% of the house's value.
I agree with Ugo. It is impossible to give an answer to you question. You need to put the same question to a local geometra or Architect or Engineer - but they will need the Catasto details and a visit to the Comune to answer you.
YES YOU ARE RIGHT. Estate agents earn their fee just by the introducing the seller to the buyer - that is all that they are legally obliged to do. They are not supposed to enter into the legal or tecnical aspects of the Property, that is all left to the Notaio and for the buyer to carry out their own Due Diligence.
This all sounds a sad mess.
Who was running the site on your behalf - and Architect? Geometra? or the Builder themselves? By the way I am an architect. I can put you in touch with my friend - a construction lawyer based in Milan who also speaks English, BUT much will depend on the Contract you had with the builder from the beginning...if you had a Contract.
If there is no Contract as such, it is more difficult but the general Codice Civile might help you, but a lawyer needs to give you a big hand.
Otherwise the hardball tactic is to hire a Geometra qualified as "Perito Edile" to look at the works carried out with the express instruction from you that they must find defects and reasons not to pay, this is a bit nasty, but usually results in a legal agreement that you pay less for the works – how much less depends on many factors.
Regarding Glamping, I do not know any local crafts people, as I am not from that area - but generally, and following on from the above comments - it has been done is some parts of Italy - so it can be done! The problem is that most Comuni in Italy will not know where to start with processing the Application for such an activity. BUT One thing to design well and resolve (to satisfy the Comune) is where and how the resulting sewage is treated and discharged and also general rubbish removal. Wishing you Luck!
Well done I wish you the best!
Hi Surajit,
I think you are doing the right things – check up, if you can, on the architects past projects, it is ideal if you can contact previous clients and speak to them. Architects by law needs to supply you will a fee offer which is broken down into the various Services that they will carry out on your behalf – from preliminary Design to applying for Permissions to Direzione dei Lavori (site supervision) each with an individual price, which you can discuss with them to understand in detail.
I am also an Architect. I obviously do not agree with Alan h’s suggestion to use a local Geometra – unless you project is quite small. Why invest your time and money on a local Geometra, if your project is important to you. An architect is more qualified – more emphasis on creativity and not necessarily more expensive – obviously if you go to an Architect with a studio of 20 people – they will cost more than one with a small office to maintain. But bear in mind that Architects and Geometras use exactly the same fee structure to calculate their fees (Tariffa Legge 140_2012). It is simply not true that Geometras are cheaper. But by all means ask a Geometra to give you a fee offer, but bear in mind that one of the most important aspects in choosing an Architect or Geometra is to ensure you have good chemistry, where it feels natural discussing ideas and getting to know the nature and spirit of your project. We always emphasize the generation of ideas with the client – often clients are surprised with the resulting design ideas, not believing the design approach would have been possible prior to the design development.
Also as for what Alan h says that you must use someone local - as they understand how the Comune work etc. I work in many different areas and Comuni, as long as they are within a 2 hour car drive distance from my base in Milan. I have never had any problem in obtaining Permissions. It really sounds like a medieval situation where you can only use local people who understand the territory. I think Italy is a modern country, even in the smallest Comuni. All the Comuni in Italy must abide by the same general rules, plus since Covid the vast majority are online with submissions via a digital platform making the submission of the many documents easier and introducing a more standardized system. Of course it is obvious that you should meet the Tecnico of the Comune and discuss in detail the project you want to carry out with an understanding of local traditions, construction techniques and rules - but it is equally obvious that the same Tecnico will not throw their hands up in horror when they realize they are dealing with an architect who is not from the local area, on the contrary they are usually happy to deal with new professional as long as correct procedures are followed – which is not difficult as it is not exactly “rocket science”.
By all means consider Architects for you refurbishment project and if it is not too late contact me to discuss your project.
All the Best,
Conor
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Hi,
I am an architect, currently we are carrying out two Eco superbonus projects in Piemonte. I confirm that the market has become very over stimulated. To discuss better the very complex issues it is better to have a chat. Please see my contact details from my site https://www.rinovaprojects.com/
Best regards,
Conor