I have an Australian Client for whom I refurbished their house on Lake Como, now they are living in Italy for over 12 months, and in their Pension years.
Hello all, I am writing asking the forum for help on behalf of an Australian client for whom we are refurbishing her house in Italy. The Australian lady bought the house to refurbish wanting to take up Italian citizenship.
Hi all I have a very basic question on using this forum: How do I send a Personal Message to someone?It would seem if I hit "reply" and send what would appear to be a message which only to recipient would see, is instead visible by the whole foru
Of course it happens, that a Client wants to change the Professional representing them, or the Building Company carrying out the building operation, and there are bureaucratic mechanisms in place to allow this to happen. It is important to understand how the bureaucracy work to avoid a big mess.
The whole set up becomes easier to understand when you appreciate that for every Planning / Building Application the local Comune needs to know 3 key entities:
The Client, who owns the Property.
The Professional representing the Client (i.e. Architect or Engineer or Geometra) in presenting the Planning / Building Application to the Comune, and / or supervision of the building works.
The Building Company carrying out the building works, at the building site phase.
The Comune needs to know these three entities, in brutally simplistic terms - so as if anything goes wrong they know who is responsible.
If you want to change the Professional representing you – it is of course possible, BUT you need to agree with the old Professional that you do not want them to represent you and to stand down in the eyes of the Comune - and agree a payment for their services to date. A “COMUNICAZIONE DI CAMBIO” form needs to be submitted to the Comune, signed by the old Professional confirming that they relinquish their responsible and that they have been paid by the Client for their Services to this date – the same form should be signed by the new Professional confirming that they have been commissioned by the Client to take over the responsibility, or in Italian “Subentrare”.
If you need to discuss any aspect in more detail email me at conor@rinovaprojects.com with no obligation. If you want, we can organize a chat which may be easier / quicker way to explain things.
thanks for that - but if only I was being paid by them to sort out their innumerable problems. The refurbishment I did for them was finished and paid for many many years ago. I am just trying to help them out as they as nice people and obviously need a hand.
my client called the driving school in Riccione and apparently they "don't do it amymore" - what it is that they do not do anymore - I have no idea as I do not know the details of the phone call, but maybe it was that they don't assisit english speaking foreigners to get their Italian license anymore
I am an architect and work on renovation projects in north Italy that are about a 2 hour's drive from Milan. Pontremoli is just within range.
However, if it is a very bureaucratic task that you require, then a Geometra is the best solution, if the task requires more than bureaucacy, then there is no reason why you cannot also consider an Architect.
Regarding Lawyers - I again do not know any in the area - but I know 2 english speaking property lawyers in Milan and 1 in Lucca - or if it is a Notary you require I know of 1 english speaking Notary in Milan.
Let me know if you can consider an architect and if a lawyer/notary in Milan or Lucca is suitable.
This may not be the best forum to get the best information for sending money to Pakistan, but I know that the Poste Italiane offers a Moneygram service
Usually the Comune do not have the information referring to a specific building subject so readily available on their website. The Comune will have a little booklet downloadable as a PDF along with an incredible amount of other material – usually but not always it is called the N.T.A. or Norme Tecniche di Attuazione del P.R.G. – where the P.R.G. is their Development Plan. This is their booklet of Planning and Building Regulations and in that document there should be indications on the sites of septic tank.
I am not sure if you should be so scared of speaking to the Comune or of speaking to Geometras. If your place is old, and the sewage system pre-dates the regulations on septic tanks, you are not "abusivo" or on the wrong side of the law. It is only when you start to refurbish that the Coumne will insist that you respect the current regulations. If you do not propose any work the Comune cannot make you change something that already existed prior to new Regs.
Let me know how old you place is – as it could be you can leave it like it is (also if it is not ideal) – indefinitely. Then once you are in a position to carry out major works you will need to install a regular system.
It sounds to me as if you may have a soakaway pit, which were quite common in the day, but today a new one is not allowed unless in a very controlled situation.
I do not like the idea of a macerator – it sounds as if it will be expensive, and how will a system like that work, if you lose power?
A macerator will definitely not be a suggested method from the locals – best find out what the locals do.
You will need to speak to people to get crucial information. The best case scenario, the Comune or local people may inform you that a municipal sewage pipe has recently been installed under the public road, or will be installed soon.
Certainly the advice of Alan H is excellent in asking your neighbours how they manage their waste. They may tell you to “mind you own business” if you ask straight away. But the context of opening up dialogue with neighbours for peaceful and mutual benefit can only be a good idea, sewage management is one of the many topics that neighbour can help you on.
I am an architect, but I work only in the north of Italy - I like Calabria, but it is too far away from me and i cannot offer to help you directly. But please drop me an email (conor@rinovaprojects.com) and I can hopefully recommend others who may be able to help.
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Hello May,
Of course it happens, that a Client wants to change the Professional representing them, or the Building Company carrying out the building operation, and there are bureaucratic mechanisms in place to allow this to happen. It is important to understand how the bureaucracy work to avoid a big mess.
The whole set up becomes easier to understand when you appreciate that for every Planning / Building Application the local Comune needs to know 3 key entities:
The Comune needs to know these three entities, in brutally simplistic terms - so as if anything goes wrong they know who is responsible.
If you want to change the Professional representing you – it is of course possible, BUT you need to agree with the old Professional that you do not want them to represent you and to stand down in the eyes of the Comune - and agree a payment for their services to date. A “COMUNICAZIONE DI CAMBIO” form needs to be submitted to the Comune, signed by the old Professional confirming that they relinquish their responsible and that they have been paid by the Client for their Services to this date – the same form should be signed by the new Professional confirming that they have been commissioned by the Client to take over the responsibility, or in Italian “Subentrare”.
If you need to discuss any aspect in more detail email me at conor@rinovaprojects.com with no obligation. If you want, we can organize a chat which may be easier / quicker way to explain things.
Best regards,
Conor
Hi Ugo,
thanks for that - but if only I was being paid by them to sort out their innumerable problems. The refurbishment I did for them was finished and paid for many many years ago. I am just trying to help them out as they as nice people and obviously need a hand.
Hi Ugo,
my client called the driving school in Riccione and apparently they "don't do it amymore" - what it is that they do not do anymore - I have no idea as I do not know the details of the phone call, but maybe it was that they don't assisit english speaking foreigners to get their Italian license anymore
Hi,
I do not know any Geometras in the area.
I am an architect and work on renovation projects in north Italy that are about a 2 hour's drive from Milan. Pontremoli is just within range.
However, if it is a very bureaucratic task that you require, then a Geometra is the best solution, if the task requires more than bureaucacy, then there is no reason why you cannot also consider an Architect.
Regarding Lawyers - I again do not know any in the area - but I know 2 english speaking property lawyers in Milan and 1 in Lucca - or if it is a Notary you require I know of 1 english speaking Notary in Milan.
Let me know if you can consider an architect and if a lawyer/notary in Milan or Lucca is suitable.
Regards,
Ronco
Thank you Ugo,
But I fear that Riccione is too far away from Lake Como.
Hello Alan,
This may not be the best forum to get the best information for sending money to Pakistan, but I know that the Poste Italiane offers a Moneygram service
https://www.poste.it/prodotti/moneygram.html
and Western Union also
https://www.westernunion.com/it/it/home.html
look up Sean Carlos, an american and an estate agent qualified in Italy, selling Italian RE.
https://www.seancarlos.org/
Think it is the old old way of doing it when the technology was super basic and they used rocks and gravel to drain the pit.
I was calling it a Soakaway - but the right name is maybe Soakpit, I think and in Italian "pozzo perdente" or "pozzo nero"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesspit
http://www.waterpathogens.org/book/cesspits-and-soakpits
Hi,
Usually the Comune do not have the information referring to a specific building subject so readily available on their website. The Comune will have a little booklet downloadable as a PDF along with an incredible amount of other material – usually but not always it is called the N.T.A. or Norme Tecniche di Attuazione del P.R.G. – where the P.R.G. is their Development Plan. This is their booklet of Planning and Building Regulations and in that document there should be indications on the sites of septic tank.
I am not sure if you should be so scared of speaking to the Comune or of speaking to Geometras. If your place is old, and the sewage system pre-dates the regulations on septic tanks, you are not "abusivo" or on the wrong side of the law. It is only when you start to refurbish that the Coumne will insist that you respect the current regulations. If you do not propose any work the Comune cannot make you change something that already existed prior to new Regs.
Let me know how old you place is – as it could be you can leave it like it is (also if it is not ideal) – indefinitely. Then once you are in a position to carry out major works you will need to install a regular system.
It sounds to me as if you may have a soakaway pit, which were quite common in the day, but today a new one is not allowed unless in a very controlled situation.
I do not like the idea of a macerator – it sounds as if it will be expensive, and how will a system like that work, if you lose power?
A macerator will definitely not be a suggested method from the locals – best find out what the locals do.
You will need to speak to people to get crucial information. The best case scenario, the Comune or local people may inform you that a municipal sewage pipe has recently been installed under the public road, or will be installed soon.
Certainly the advice of Alan H is excellent in asking your neighbours how they manage their waste. They may tell you to “mind you own business” if you ask straight away. But the context of opening up dialogue with neighbours for peaceful and mutual benefit can only be a good idea, sewage management is one of the many topics that neighbour can help you on.
Are you in Italy now?
Saluti,
Conor
Hi Mpatters,
I am an architect, but I work only in the north of Italy - I like Calabria, but it is too far away from me and i cannot offer to help you directly. But please drop me an email (conor@rinovaprojects.com) and I can hopefully recommend others who may be able to help.
All the best,
Conor