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Thanks Sabina
Submitted by Casa Monal on Sun, 10/30/2011 - 08:36In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Thanks very much for the info Sabina Yep guility as charged ...we didn't know that non residents are charged at a higher rate for electricity But we did know about the different tariffs. Enel sent us an emailI also asked if anyone is with Italy Powered in this thread
Fantastic information
Submitted by Angie and Robert on Sun, 10/30/2011 - 08:37In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Here are the current rates for resident D2 and non resident D3 to 3Kw. D3 over 3Kw is the rate for residents. D2 - Resident http://www.enel.it/it-IT/clienti/enel_servizio_elettrico/tariffe_per_la_... D3 - Non resident or resident over 3Kw http://www.enel.it/it-IT/clienti/enel_servizio_elettrico/tariffe_per_la_...
Great information, Sabina.
Submitted by Gala Placidia on Sun, 10/30/2011 - 09:18In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I agree that this is indeed
Submitted by Tartuffa on Sun, 10/30/2011 - 09:34In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I agree that this is indeed very useful information - thank you. My recollection however is that ENEL assume that you are a resident when you set up your initial account and charge you accordingly. They then send you a document to complete and return where you are also supposed to attach a copy of your residency doc as proof. Only if you don't complete and return this form do they then switch you to the more expensive rate and backdate your higher charges too. So, in effect, you have to confirm the automatic opt-in for the lower residents' rate. I couldn't honestly say if this is always the case but we have done this twice in the last 18 months - once in a rental and then on the flat we subsequently bought.
Partly knew
Submitted by La Dolcevita on Sun, 10/30/2011 - 12:05In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Second homes
Submitted by cardi on Sun, 10/30/2011 - 13:32In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Italians with second homes
Submitted by Fillide on Sun, 10/30/2011 - 14:28In reply to Second homes by cardi
Italians can only have one place in which they are resident, so a second home owner can't get the resident rate on the home in which he is not registered as resident. I think that the resident rate is ONLY applied to supplies of 3.3kW: there is no difference in what you pay if you have more than 3.3kW - (Badger's links should make this clear).
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as others have said, you can
Submitted by Sabina on Mon, 10/31/2011 - 09:13as others have said, you can only pay the "resident" rate on the one house - but what a lot of Italians do - and some foreigners too...is to put the different houses in different names - e.g. husband owns and is resident in house no. 1 whilst wife owns and is resident in house no. 2. There are several foreign couples I know in this area who have done just this....it means that they only pay the 3% tax on their holiday home (and one of them becomes legally resident) and get the cheaper elec. rates etc etc. Also worth considering if you want to be eligible to apply for any of the "aggevolazione" (grants) for restructuring the property or fitting solar panels etc. It does however mean you can't sell the house - without buying another one where you will "continue" to be resident for ...can't remember if it is 3 or 5 years (otherwise you are liable to pay the outstanding 7% tax plus interest on the original house you purchased). Some notaries actively encourage foreign buyers to go this route - others won't allow it...as always in Italy, it just depends!
Thats interesting Fillide,
Submitted by Angie and Robert on Sun, 10/30/2011 - 15:58In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Thats interesting Fillide, didnt know that. We manage on the 3.3 kw supply for our 3 bed house and our apartment. We dont have many electric guzzling appliances, and have gas ovens and hobs, hob kettles, and no dishwasher. It is possible on a small scale to achieve this. I guess you could say that we use more gas but in the summer that is of no account. The winter is different and gas is a huge expense to factor in, even with a stufa in the house.
You are just the sort of client who gets the agevelazioni
Submitted by Fillide on Sun, 10/30/2011 - 20:05In reply to Thats interesting Fillide, by Angie and Robert
This is the whole point of the 'resident' tariff - it is designed to assist those users who are (maybe need to be) a bit parsimonious with their electricity usage, and is based on the idea that 3.3Kw is absolutely enough on which to run a small household. Regard it as a state subsidy for 'pensioners', and don't get pissed off when you find that your (presumed) requirement for 6.6kW doesn't cut you into the discount scheme.
Around 90% of Italians have a
Submitted by bunterboy on Mon, 10/31/2011 - 16:50In reply to You are just the sort of client who gets the agevelazioni by Fillide
Thanks for update Badger
Submitted by Casa Monal on Mon, 10/31/2011 - 06:56In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
ItalyPowered - heads up folks
Submitted by Lo Spicchio on Mon, 10/31/2011 - 10:30In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Just want to repeat an answer in a different thread, and would appreciate feedback on this: My last ENEL bill works out to 22.45 c/kwh (€326.21 for 1453 kwh on a 6 kwh supply) On the ItalyPowerd website there was - until this morning - a sample bill showing clearly that buying from them entailed an effective price of 32.73. A second sample bill, which has also been taken down - I wonder why - showed lower usage which pushed up IP's effective to 48 c/kwh (due to high fixed charges). So their strapline: "Save up to 60%..." should read "Spend 30% more..." Interesting mistake, coupled with disinformatiion, on their front page:
- Choose from either a fixed rate of 0.75 cents per KWh, or our "twin hour" option: 0.84 cents per KWh peak rate and 0.69 cents per KWh evenings and weekends.
- No hidden extras for non-residents
Er, 'scuse me, I can only guess that there's a decimal point in the wrong place. But nowhere, and I mean NOWHERE, on the site is shown all the blah blah stuff added on that trebles/quadruples the actual charge on the bottom line. Hope this makes sense and helps people.
ItalyPowered - do not use!
Submitted by twentyknots on Wed, 11/16/2011 - 14:32In reply to ItalyPowered - heads up folks by Lo Spicchio
See my reply here: ItalyPowered
ItalyPowered sample bill
Submitted by Lo Spicchio on Mon, 10/31/2011 - 10:48In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I found it! the link had disappeared from the bottom of all webpages but here it is hidden in the FAQ's: http://www.italypowered.com/faqs.html Click on the tab for the Sample Bills. They repeat the mistake: Our new, flat-rate is 0.75 cents per KWh - saving you even more on your electricity bills!
Italy Powered
Submitted by hivoltage on Wed, 12/07/2011 - 07:35In reply to ItalyPowered sample bill by Lo Spicchio
Also interesting Lo Spicchio,
Submitted by Badger on Mon, 10/31/2011 - 13:34In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
In reply to Also interesting Lo Spicchio, by Badger
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Finally got my residency sorted a few months ago so was looking forward to the leccy bills going down a bit but seems as we have 6kw I can save myself a trip to the PO fax machine to show Enel my residency cert, it'll be the same price anyway...3kw would be ok in winter but the pool pump which runs at about 1.3 in summer means we really do need the extra potential then and I guess you cant switch to a lower limit for half the year of course. It does make looking at an off grid PV system even more interesting as prices drop, can anyone confirm if is possible to take your leccy off grid in winter (say with a set up which supplies about 3k) and top up with the lower 3k supply from enel at the cheaper price when needed? Anyone here have experience of running a non grid tied system in Italy? As so far we have failed to have the address for the bills we are sent changed from no 20 to no 17 on the same rd despite 4 phone calls over 18months from native Italian speakers requesting the update (and each time being assured that it was all sorted) I hate to think how hard it may be to agree a system combining a lower demand rate with an independent off grid supply ...aaargh. Am
Solar FV would be much more
Submitted by bunterboy on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 04:00In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Photovoltaics
Submitted by Lo Spicchio on Wed, 11/02/2011 - 17:18In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Amaretto, you could run an independant PV system just for your pool pump + probably to top up house hot water. In the winter you'd still get a significant kick from a 3 KW potential set of panels (about 12 sq metres). You'll need a bigger hot water tank probably. It's unlikely to be worth not tying up to the grid, however. I'm not even sure you'd get the full production tariff if you don't. At about 38 c/kwh (if you're quick) plus a small contribution if there's unused leccy going into the grid, it's pretty well obligatory. One things for sure: there are plenty of photovoltaic installers around, jumping on the bandwagon, so cast about for good prices. Cheers Lo Spic.
Thanks for the updates
Submitted by Casa Monal on Thu, 11/03/2011 - 16:31In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
ENEL: RESIDENT & NON-RESIDENT RATES
Submitted by donna de amusa on Fri, 11/18/2011 - 09:33In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Thanks to everyone for this very useful piece of information. This will be our first winter in our small 2 bed apt. so I'd welcome any info on how much we can expect to pay for our usage per month. We'll be using small electrical fan heaters but if we then find that we're paying more than we would for central heating in UK during the coldest quarter we might have to re-think where we spend our winters. For health reasons we have decided not to apply for residency as having recently retired we don't want to cut ourselves off from the NHS. I'm almost certain (but would appreciate confirmation from the experts) that as non-residents, even though we have our EHIC, we would have to pay for a doctors consultation should it be necessary. I'd appreciate any advice on utilities and medical costs. Thanks
When I was in Puglia last
Submitted by bunterboy on Mon, 08/27/2012 - 04:07In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
We still pay a residents
Submitted by Angie and Robert on Mon, 08/27/2012 - 04:55In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
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No, the rates have not changed. D2 to 3kw for residents, D3 for non resident and over 3kw supply. http://www.enel.it/it-IT/clienti/enel_servizio_elettrico/tariffe_per_la_... http://www.enel.it/it-IT/clienti/enel_servizio_elettrico/tariffe_per_la_...
Thanks Badger.
Submitted by bunterboy on Mon, 08/27/2012 - 07:23In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
ENEL charge
Submitted by hulsepete on Mon, 09/17/2012 - 09:01In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Thank you for this
Submitted by Gallinarese on Sun, 09/18/2016 - 10:40In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
Thank you for this information. I've been living permanently in Italy for 16 months, and was told this week by an English woman about the different Enel tarrifs. I'm now only doing washing and hoovering on Sundays, and have a timer on the water heater. I hope not to be in "fuel poverty" for much longer!
use this > http://www
Submitted by Ugo on Tue, 09/20/2016 - 03:17In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I switched from Enel to Eni
Submitted by Sabina on Thu, 09/22/2016 - 02:48In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec
I switched from Enel to Eni over a year ago....the first few bills were higher and I was spitting...but then they settled and I now pay about half what I was, with the advantage of a single rate, so can use the washing machine any time of the day/day of the week...
I always say, there is no
Submitted by Ugo on Thu, 09/22/2016 - 07:41In reply to A newbie all over again! by Annec